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2013/11/15 13:37:58
Subject: Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game from Prodos Games
Bolognesus wrote: I seem to recall just one of the buggers being a huge threat already, somehow - but I could well be mistaken and in any case, Vain's Inverse Ninja rule certainly does apply.
In the first movie (granted, that was just a ship's crew, not Marines). Inverse Ninja rule, indeed!
2013/11/15 13:47:37
Subject: Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game from Prodos Games
Who knows? Give them their own deck of faction specific cards and we'll see what happens. Or have them run around with small arms and home-made pyrotechnics.
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2013/11/15 14:06:42
Subject: Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game from Prodos Games
BrookM wrote: Who knows? Give them their own deck of faction specific cards and we'll see what happens. Or have them run around with small arms and home-made pyrotechnics.
Perhaps access to one-man construction equipment? Perhaps an exo-suit of sorts?
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2013/11/15 14:07:23
Subject: Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game from Prodos Games
Do you think Prodos will eventually be selling the resin units in boxes a la Warzone Ressurection? I'm not sure if I have the funds to back but I really want to get my hands on some AvP models.
Some people play to win, some people play for fun. Me? I play to kill toy soldiers.
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Obviously I cannot speak for everyone else, but I would rather see an actual combat exosuit than the loader. The loader might be iconic for the films but it was the fact that it was a last ditch effort which made it so special and iconic.
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2013/11/15 14:20:24
Subject: Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game from Prodos Games
Do you think Prodos will eventually be selling the resin units in boxes a la Warzone Ressurection? I'm not sure if I have the funds to back but I really want to get my hands on some AvP models.
This will be the case if I remember correctly.
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2013/11/15 14:27:59
Subject: Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game from Prodos Games
Kanluwen wrote: Obviously I cannot speak for everyone else, but I would rather see an actual combat exosuit than the loader. The loader might be iconic for the films but it was the fact that it was a last ditch effort which made it so special and iconic.
Hypothetically, here's how I'll allocate my pledge (two of the add-on only "Looking good there, boss!" ones, plus a bit extra) if the Queen costs 50 pounds.
3 Queens
3 Praetorians
6 PredAliens (4 free, 2 gotten from trading my 2 Berserker Predators, which I've already worked out)
20 Alien Warriors (10 free)
10 Facehuggers (free)
3 sets of dice
If the Queen is less, I get to add more of something else. If it's 5 pounds more, the dice are the first to go. If it's 10 pounds more, I'm a sad panda and have to make a tough choice... or maybe another stretch goal will allow me to free up funds currently allocated to other models.
Also, the above assumes we hit 2K backers.
2013/11/15 16:35:30
Subject: Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game from Prodos Games
adlard.matthew wrote: I would have liked to have seen more hype and lead up to this kick starter before they released as it would have in creased numbers of backers and increased interest both sides of the fence.
The extra time could have been useful to allow more details to leak out on what they are up to, back ground,rules concepts, etc.
happy to back but this seems more a we have a licence and its going to go maybe like this with maybe these.
I thought they did a decent lead up. And they have a board game with listed contents, a KS version with resin figures and later in 2014 a retail version with 1 piece plastic figs. They are making a 'wargame' as well. and we know the rules for that will be based on their Warzone rules. We know that the resin figures will be available after the KS for use in the wargame. I'm really not sure how you translate all that into "we have a licence and its going to go maybe like this with maybe these". It would seem they have a pretty good idea where they are going with this.
Because its vague as hell. No idea how the game plays or in what direction they plan on doing with it other than " this is a board game, but we poan on making another game where you can give us much monies using more of these models."
That's it. Period.
There are no numinous discussions by the creators with their backers about where they want this to go and how they are going to do it and why. The consumer base would hqve to have some rules in order for such a discussion to have any context.
The lead up to the ks was fine. But after the ks was launched, they should have had videos, demo rules, etc. in place.
I only need the models. I would like for there to be a good game inside that to add value to my purchase. But most people are buying this as a game. And in that regard, Prodos have utterly failed in portraying whatever the hell that is. Expecting people to just buy it sight unseen.
That gak might have worked for sedition wars, but we've grown wiser since such incidents and have become more discerning. ITS A MAJOR REASON WHY THIS PROJECT IS NOT MORE SUCCESSFUL.
I have no idea what type of presentation they approached Fox with in order to get this license, but if it is ANYTHING like the tripe they are shoveling down the throats of the b public, then Fox is comprised of a larger group of idiots than I originally thought.
And that's saying a lot. Have you SEEN those AVP movies... ?
It's hardly as bad as all that. I'm as eager to hear more about the box components and the rules as anyone but I reckon it will come along in due time. If we get to the last couple of days and there's still nothing, then we can both freak out.
Manchu wrote: I bet we'll get more discussion of rules once the hardcover war game rule book is unlocked.
Where does thisninfo come from, and how is that even remotely relevant to how the board game plays? So in another 40k - 60k we get to see what the wargame rules are or any rules for that matter?
If what you assume is even remotely true, its proof posotive that Prodos are fething ignorqnt.
Prodos have been quick to answer my questions on KS, so credit to them on that front. Although didn't answer two of the three questions. Hope that means that they are in the process of doing it, rather than having not done it at all. (Questions surrounding the rulebook/how the game plays)
It's usually about this time we get an update or comment from them isn't it? (Quarter to Five GMT)
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You're getting a mite frothy there, Hellfury, so it's a bit hard to understand you. When you ask about the source of "thisninfo" are you talking about the hardcover war game rule book? It's from the KS page. Prodos listed it as an example stretch goal from the beginning. If you're asking about when more rule info will come out ... that's just my speculation. TBH, anyone who wanted to learn a bit about the rules could hit up Warzone Resurrection backers because Prodos has already announced the rules will be based on that game.
I'm not freaking out. I want this to succeed very well, but I'm also not going to sit idly by while people shake their heads as if this is a well run project and there is no room to criticize like I see being bandied about by many commenters.
This project could be run a lot better is the point I'm attempting to make. A counterpoint to those who think there is more transparency than there actually is.
Other than people guessing baby weights this was quite interesting to see.
Ropya 4 minutes ago
@Prodos,
Sine you're here.
Can you confirm something for me.
All the extra figures, add ons and such, that are not in the base game.
Do they come with cards / rules / stats what have you to mmake them usable in both the base game and the war game,?
I figure they do but was hoping for confirmation.
Video is quite long, but it seems to detail Warzone, at least in Beta, so might be able to extract something from that. If somebody knows of a clearer or more concise run down of the rules throw a link in the thread!
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@Prodos,
Thank for the confirmation
I thought that was the case.
Couldn't imagine they wouldn't.
But there was some debate on a forum J can get cleared up now.
.
One other question, and I apologizeif this has aalready been asked.
The higher detailed resin figures were getting here, besides any exclusives, will they be available for purchase done the road come retail release?
So I'd I wanted to continue to expand my forces with like quality minis, will I be able to?
Robin Rosengren 1 minute ago
Is it just "In the pipe" that get the 2k backer bonus? As it says in the update?
Creator Prodos Games Ltd 12 minutes ago
Robin in the pipe and above.
The ones in the box will not be in the box. Whether they are sold as expansions is yet to be seen. Even if they are all addons wont appear until earliest early 2015 .
Thanks .
Bolded and underlined the most important part. Seems to suggest these won't be available for general release until 2015! If this is meant to ship in May 2014, what's the delay?
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Kanluwen wrote: Obviously I cannot speak for everyone else, but I would rather see an actual combat exosuit than the loader. The loader might be iconic for the films but it was the fact that it was a last ditch effort which made it so special and iconic.
No you can't speak for everyone bloody else!
Kind of agree though.. would love to see an exo-suit for some kind of special scenario (either one from Aliens, or even with civvies trying to fight off aliens using whatever they have to hand), but one of the armoured suits from the comics/books would also be pretty cool..
If they can get the rulebook out for Tabletop Game it would be grand. Rather than having minis with no rules. Not that it would bother me, but it might put a lot of people off.
You're probably right about the boardgame sculpts being the reason for the delay. I suppose that time will be used to get the boardgame out ready for whatever is going on with the 25th Anniversary (I'm sure somebody said that earlier) next year.
adlard.matthew wrote: I would have liked to have seen more hype and lead up to this kick starter before they released as it would have in creased numbers of backers and increased interest both sides of the fence.
The extra time could have been useful to allow more details to leak out on what they are up to, back ground,rules concepts, etc.
happy to back but this seems more a we have a licence and its going to go maybe like this with maybe these.
I thought they did a decent lead up. And they have a board game with listed contents, a KS version with resin figures and later in 2014 a retail version with 1 piece plastic figs. They are making a 'wargame' as well. and we know the rules for that will be based on their Warzone rules. We know that the resin figures will be available after the KS for use in the wargame. I'm really not sure how you translate all that into "we have a licence and its going to go maybe like this with maybe these". It would seem they have a pretty good idea where they are going with this.
Because its vague as hell. No idea how the game plays or in what direction they plan on doing with it other than " this is a board game, but we poan on making another game where you can give us much monies using more of these models."
That's it. Period.
There are no numinous discussions by the creators with their backers about where they want this to go and how they are going to do it and why. The consumer base would hqve to have some rules in order for such a discussion to have any context.
The lead up to the ks was fine. But after the ks was launched, they should have had videos, demo rules, etc. in place.
I only need the models. I would like for there to be a good game inside that to add value to my purchase. But most people are buying this as a game. And in that regard, Prodos have utterly failed in portraying whatever the hell that is. Expecting people to just buy it sight unseen.
That gak might have worked for sedition wars, but we've grown wiser since such incidents and have become more discerning. ITS A MAJOR REASON WHY THIS PROJECT IS NOT MORE SUCCESSFUL.
A little more cordial than one would have put it, but answers and what i was going to say.
Do not get me wrong one is backing this and will support, however this would IMHO been better with more lead up and hints/sneaks.
The extra time build up could have gone towards some bettr looking board tiles which do not require any real complexity and rule basics.
One of Mantics real success is that they understand the idea of fan interest by leaking bits an pieces, even just info and picture concepts and letting the masses build up support so when you go for it you have a large fan base that is aware of what your upto. things like promo videos on BoW with Prodos saying what they are trying to achieve etc, are more cost effective as they offer a lot but cost nothing as your not showing figures but building interest and tension.
(granted, that was just a ship's crew, not Marines). Inverse Ninja rule, indeed!
