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Are backers who haven't received their copy yet going to end up with the new "budget" version?

Maybe they got too many complaints of misspacked cards so they band them together now? Pure speculation but as good as any.
Thinner board ... bad choice. That thing is supposed to be clipped together on and on, that won't last ...

Those new tiles look terrible, good luck keeping them flat! Unbelievable. What they need to do is go with the exact opposite of their gut instincts. How is lowering the quality, a good move?

Flat? I say after half a dozen plays you have tears in those.
Did Fox approve of those? (pun intended)

never mind

 Todosi wrote:
Wait, now there IS a difference between the retatil and KS versions? I thought retail was getting the same thing we were? When did that change?

Had they made that a point in their communications it might have consoled some of the backers.

The announcement was made August 14, was posted on Facebook as well as this thread. I had thought I got an email too but I can't remember, I know I got a couple emails but didn't really pay attention to them. Based on what I've seen discussed a lot of people thought it was possibly happening and not happening so there was some shock in changes happening suddenly.

Ultimately I believe the decision came about not only because of increased manufacturing costs but needing to provide a retail version to sell, without negatively impacting Kickstarter backers. The increased costs meant reducing the cost of the manufacturing where they could. It looks like that meant a thinner material... not sure if that means worse quality. I line most of my boards with superglue, which makes the ends not fray and last almost indefinitely (something I learned from Battle Systems terrain KS).

Currently the retail version is supposed to be, "the retail will be different from the Kickstarter version you will be getting, the box weights less by over 1KG (different materials used) and will be smaller by 3cm (with a new layout). There will also be a reduction in the number of tiles (a few corridors will be removed plus flamer and blast template is also game- since they are not used in the core board game at all).".

That is the current retail version. Anything left out there is stranglers or has been sitting with other distributors but the stores I know have all been getting the new retail version.

xowainx wrote:
Are backers who haven't received their copy yet going to end up with the new "budget" version?

Backers will not receive the retail version, they will be receiving the fat box version.

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 Moses Bad wrote:
Maybe they got too many complaints of misspacked cards so they band them together now? Pure speculation but as good as any.
Thinner board ... bad choice. That thing is supposed to be clipped together on and on, that won't last ...

The card stock for the counters & doors are thinner, but floor tiles are thick like origianlly shown.

Mhkay ... thinner doors should work - keep them in those stands and they should be allright.
Counters, only time will tell, but those are handled again and again. A lot of companies offer plastic tokens, makes me wonder, why that idea never gotten round for AvP.
Maybe, if it lasts, in the future ...

 Moses Bad wrote:
Counters, only time will tell, but those are handled again and again. A lot of companies offer plastic tokens, makes me wonder, why that idea never gotten round for AvP.

Plastic counters increase cost, cheaper to go board method. Not to mention it lets them later produce plastic, acrylic or 'special' counters/tokens as additional add-on sales. You can seal the counters with superglue or use a epoxy sticker to top them and protect them as well.

Most things I normally put in a bag anyways and use MDF tokens... plus I have stuff to use my cool ModCube counters for. ^_^

 Dark Severance wrote:

 Moses Bad wrote:
Counters, only time will tell, but those are handled again and again. A lot of companies offer plastic tokens, makes me wonder, why that idea never gotten round for AvP.

Plastic counters increase cost, cheaper to go board method. Not to mention it lets them later produce plastic, acrylic or 'special' counters/tokens as additional add-on sales. You can seal the counters with superglue or use a epoxy sticker to top them and protect them as well.

Most things I normally put in a bag anyways and use MDF tokens... plus I have stuff to use my cool ModCube counters for. ^_^

Uhm, most, if not all backers went in on those objective tokens - do you think, anybody would've complained (back then) or shyed away from the idea (back then) to spend another 15 to 20 bucks to get a set of plastic tokens? They would've taken it, guaranteed. That's why I wrote "offer", not "put in for free".

 Moses Bad wrote:
Uhm, most, if not all backers went in on those objective tokens - do you think, anybody would've complained (back then) or shyed away from the idea (back then) to spend another 15 to 20 bucks to get a set of plastic tokens? They would've taken it, guaranteed. That's why I wrote "offer", not "put in for free".

I didn't know you were talking about additional KS items/add-ons vs thinner stock on the retail games. Doing it as part of the KS as additional add-ons would have been good, although it was awhile ago before plasitc tokens and acrylic laser cut things started becoming almost a standard goto add-on for kickstarters. Yeah I didn't go in for objective tokens, just miniatures and main game. I used to go in for those things in KS but found I end up swapping them out for other things later anyways... but that is just me.

 Moses Bad wrote:

 Dark Severance wrote:

 Moses Bad wrote:
Counters, only time will tell, but those are handled again and again. A lot of companies offer plastic tokens, makes me wonder, why that idea never gotten round for AvP.

Plastic counters increase cost, cheaper to go board method. Not to mention it lets them later produce plastic, acrylic or 'special' counters/tokens as additional add-on sales. You can seal the counters with superglue or use a epoxy sticker to top them and protect them as well.

Most things I normally put in a bag anyways and use MDF tokens... plus I have stuff to use my cool ModCube counters for. ^_^

Uhm, most, if not all backers went in on those objective tokens - do you think, anybody would've complained (back then) or shyed away from the idea (back then) to spend another 15 to 20 bucks to get a set of plastic tokens? They would've taken it, guaranteed. That's why I wrote "offer", not "put in for free".

Couldn't agree more. IMHO two of the biggest missives from the original offering are plastic tokens and counters, and also textured bases (or base toppers). They could have made a shedload of money out of both. I should think Fenris have doubled their annual takings off the back of this game, and if the game succeeds, somebody like Litko is going to have a field day.

Is that 350 the rest of the international backers?

Since we have no served numbers, nobody but Prodos knows.

Joyboozer wrote:
Is that 350 the rest of the international backers?

No,

Ninja Division is only servicing the American backers (not even sure if they're doing Canada or if that's still going to go out from Prodos)

I'm pretty sure that ND is handling North America. However time will tell. Information seems to be quite fluid. :(

Is this game going to have any of the miniatures available outside of the big boxed set? I wouldn't mind buying some Predators to use with another game system.

 TheWaspinator wrote:
Is this game going to have any of the miniatures available outside of the big boxed set? I wouldn't mind buying some Predators to use with another game system.

Eventually, yes.

 TheWaspinator wrote:
Is this game going to have any of the miniatures available outside of the big boxed set? I wouldn't mind buying some Predators to use with another game system.

Or you go predastore.ch

I have a few hunters from Predastore (after getting bored waiting on Fox/Prodos). Great figures, not cheap but you get value. I have a hunter that reminds me of Ned Stark, a Stormtrooper, Ursula Andress and an Australian Aborigany. I will likely keep an eye out for more from Predastore.

Ninja Division put out their own update on Friday

Ninja Division Publishing is happy to announce that US shipping for fulfillment of the Alien v Predator Kickstarter has begun. Ninja Division has received approximately 180 copies to our local warehouse. Shipment of these copies is ongoing and should be complete within a week.

The remaining quantity needed to complete the fulfillment is currently on a ship heading to the US. Prodos has informed us that it is anticipated it to reach port within 2 – 3 weeks.

In agreement with Prodos Games, a third party fulfillment center will be handling the final fulfillment. The fulfillment center is located in the port city, allowing the elimination of the travel time needed to transport the product to Ninja Division’s warehouse in Idaho.

Once Ninja Division has completed fulfillment of the stock we have on hand, Prodos will coordinate with the third party fulfillment center to ensure delivery of the final items.

Ninja Division and Prodos Games would like to thank backers for their patience as fulfillment begins.

For inquiries regarding your order,

Contact: Anthony Boyd
Ninja Division Publishing
Phone: 208.286.4135
info@sodapopminiatures.com
www.ninjadivision.com

Is Ninja Division bailing on this?

What are the odds that coordination on what has already shipped to who between ND, Prodos and the third party shipper gets fethed up?

In agreement with Prodos Games, a third party fulfillment center will be handling the final fulfillment.

That sounds like yes, ad could be taken two ways with the remark

The fulfillment center is located in the port city, allowing the elimination of the travel time needed to transport the product to Ninja Division’s warehouse in Idaho.

But from the tone would think NDP is thinking jump ship now rather than get caught up.

Time will tell.

 CptJake wrote:
Is Ninja Division bailing on this?

What are the odds that coordination on what has already shipped to who between ND, Prodos and the third party shipper gets fethed up?

Wow, nobody wants to deal with the shipping. First Prodos, then ND, and now some unnamed and most likely not gaming related third party. I wonder if they'll punt it next to Santa's elves in order to finish it by Christmas...

 CptJake wrote:
Is Ninja Division bailing on this?

What are the odds that coordination on what has already shipped to who between ND, Prodos and the third party shipper gets fethed up?

Looks like ND decided they're not getting paid enough to take the fall for Prodos - that's why they called out the count of games in their possession, and when they are shipping, along with the go-forward plan. ND is being transparent so that disgruntled AvP backers don't blame them for what are clearly Prodos' fethups.

This is getting worse than a soap opera! Stay tuned for the next exciting update! Where we find out that Prodos would have gotten away with it if it wouldn't have been for those pesky kids and their dog!

It seems as if living in a cesspit of vitriol and hate has made us strong!

 Grumpae wrote:
This is getting worse than a soap opera! Stay tuned for the next exciting update! Where we find out that Prodos would have gotten away with it if it wouldn't have been for those pesky kids and their dog!

There is something worse - we call it scripted reality (bet you got the same, but maybe with another name) - where some bad actors try to sell you a weird story as real.
Speaking of which ...

Did we just make this whole Kickstarter up or was there ever a real possibility for this to become reality?
For X-Factor, this is Jonathan Frakes.

This would be at least mildly funny ... aw, you know ...

Tempted to start billing them for time spent on the net looking for updates over the last 2yrs

From what money? As it seems, they have enough trouble as it is scraping together the funds for shipping.

Now did I get that right? For what I know about blogs ...
They ditched the KS site, scrapped FB and largely ignore their forums in favor of a blog, where - with the right settings - you can edit (i.e. delete) unwanted posts before they go public?
Wowey, if it is so and for that very reason. If you can't win them over anymore, censor them wherever and however you can?

 Moses Bad wrote:

 Grumpae wrote:
This is getting worse than a soap opera! Stay tuned for the next exciting update! Where we find out that Prodos would have gotten away with it if it wouldn't have been for those pesky kids and their dog!

There is something worse - we call it scripted reality (bet you got the same, but maybe with another name) - where some bad actors try to sell you a weird story as real.
Speaking of which ...

Did we just make this whole Kickstarter up or was there ever a real possibility for this to become reality?
For X-Factor, this is Jonathan Frakes.

This would be at least mildly funny ... aw, you know ...

I do not understand the context of your second quote. Please explain what I am missing. Did Frakes do a kickstarter or is that just some kind of parody?