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yeah,
Whats happening with the clear predator miniatures?

Panic...

crazy_cat wrote:
Really unimpressed.
Still nothing shipped and now you've reopened my pledge - can you just get on and ship me something maybe!
As I said before there is no way I'll even consider giving you more money until you deliver what you owe me - and even then I think its a rather big if....

Hi there, the pledge manager was opened due to several request, if you are not interested just leave it as it is. We cannot selectively do it, thus all pledges must be re-opened.
We are back on shipping next week.

Thanks

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

crazy_cat wrote:
So waht does 'In progress' mean compared to 'Awaiting' ?

In progress means that can be edited. Thanks.

Mine's listed 'in progress', fairly sure there's no way for me to actually change anything (other than address, of course) in there. Not a big issue, I'm not exactly chomping at the bit to throw more money at this, but I'm fairly sure this isn't quite correct. Error on your side or mine?

Just make sure all your details are correct in the pledge manager and leave it be it will be closed automatically when yours is ready to ship .

Prodos my pledge was for figures only not a box game whats the time frame on deliveries for pledges like that ?

And can we get a clear list of whats in wave 2 and 3 because if theres something holding up people's pledges they should know so they know what the delay could be and if so swap it out .

Hey Warzone Resurrection, I've been waiting a month now to hear back about replacements for the 40+ miscast components in my three boxes. The last I heard was that it would be sorted out "ASAP" but here it is a month on and I don't even know if the stuff is in the mail yet.

Not to mention the mislabeled packaging that meant I had to pay over $200 in import taxes and duty to get my boxes, which you offered to help me sort out and then never got back to me.

 Ktulhut wrote:

Not to mention the mislabeled packaging that meant I had to pay over $200 in import taxes and duty to get my boxes, which you offered to help me sort out and then never got back to me.

Ouch :(

Prodos-

Would you please give an update on the shipping container heading to the United States / North America?

What is the entry port?

Left yet? Arrived? Through customs? Has the third party distributer taken possession of them yet?

ETA of shipping KS versions of the AvP the hunt begins box set?

 Ktulhut wrote:
Hey Warzone Resurrection, I've been waiting a month now to hear back about replacements for the 40+ miscast components in my three boxes. The last I heard was that it would be sorted out "ASAP" but here it is a month on and I don't even know if the stuff is in the mail yet.

Not to mention the mislabeled packaging that meant I had to pay over $200 in import taxes and duty to get my boxes, which you offered to help me sort out and then never got back to me.

Hi there, sorry if I remember correctly I offered to sent you amended invoice and you have not come back to me on it?

As for miscast, I'll check with out tram tomorrow, the ticket was created: https://gyazo.com/6691f5bfcd256c9f38229992c292bc78 I'll come back to you on it via email.

Thanks for replying so fast.

I definitely got back to you both via the FB thread we discussed it in, and via PM (and I think email too, it was a while ago now). It's too late for that customs stuff to be fixed anyway now so I suppose we'll have to call that water under the bridge.

Looking forward to hearing back about my replacements, it's been quite frustrating having the bodies for 21 Infant Warriors and 8 Marines sitting there that I can't build and paint.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

Big Jim wrote:
And from Jarek Ever on the AvP Facebook page...

"Hi all, a quick announcement. As we have a large number of backers collecting the AvP + add-ons at Crisis, we decided to compensate your time and effort ( also pain in your arms after walking with 4+ Kg game whole day) with a free random miniature from our WZR or AvP ranges. It could be a trooper or hero, monster model or even a vehicle (retail value from 5 GBP to 65 GBP!) We will have some out of production model and prototypes as well do be drawn (priceless!) . If you have collected your wave 1 at any of the shows we have attended, you will also receive the random miniature with your 2nd Wave! - Let the Hunt Begins!"

I'll let you decide as to the level of PR chaos this will result in.

Hi there, as always with this stuff, we can't make everybody happy. However we had this question constantly coming back to us via emails "what I will get for my shipping cost I paid you if I collect the game at the show".
I believe it's not only us doing it.




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UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
Giving free stuff to people that already have received something whilst sweet feth all for those that have received nothing. Great

Hi there, please read my comment above.

So how many of those who picked their copies at a convention paid £65 shipping?, and also how many of those who picked their copy up at a convention still have freebies or add ons still to ship requiring postage costs to be found?

So you feel that those of us who currently have received nothing deserve nothing in compensation for the delay?

As those of us who have received nothing yet will be receiving our rewards in less shipments as the waves combine will we be receiving something for the postage costs saved?

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

 JoeRugby wrote:
Prodos First up apologies if you have answered these questions before.

1. If you need profit to afford to ship KS copies and cover the licence renewal, why were you selling the add ons at Essen for less than Kickstarter prices?

We need profit to split shipping into waves, if you could each wave is approx. 10 GBP a parcel, times this 3000 backers * 3 waves that is 90k GBP. License renewal is in 2017 (Rob was confused).

2. How many backers (not boxed game copies) have you shipped the boxed game too. How many backers do you have left to ship too.There were 2093 backers during the campaign (some of these might not have gone in for the boxed game others might have ordered more than one copy.) and then there was the option for others to get in afterwards.

There was in total 2560 copies of AvP game to be produced and shipped. We have covered 1785 out of that,

3. Where are you with approval on the rest of the items?

All miniatures are approved, we are going with packaging. Next month there is another 6 releases.

2. Do the above items constitute all of Wave 2?

Yes and wave 3 as well.

4. Will Any Kickstarter boxes games sent now be sent with the approved minis that are also in people's pledged items?

Yes, with all released.

5. You've said 2.5 -3 months to finish shipping on all 3 waves. So if your not doing the above when will all the boxed games be shipped?

500 received next week, shipped out asap, remaining games with us by the end of the month/beginning with next one.

6. Appreciate if you don't want to answer this, but what is the reminding shipping going to cost you?

Answered above.

Thanks for the answers Prodos but I think here's been a slight misunderstanding of some of my questions

1. I understand why you where selling them at Essen. What I was asking was why were you were selling them at Essen at below retail and Kickstarter price? Surely that's your one opertunity to sell with a monopoly without retailers being able to undercut you?

As your not having to renew your licence till 2017 how will this effect your delivery to us backers? I would think if you don't need to put as much £s aside each month for the licence it should improve delivery times?

2a. Not quite what I was asking for (I was asking backer numbers not boxed game copies)but it's an idea at least. Look forward to hearing that 2285 boxed have been shipped at the end of next week.

3. So all minis are approved including the clear preds and the young bloods? Where are you with approval on the packaging for the rest of the line?

Can I also infer that all remaining items will be released to retail when they are approved and ready to go?

2b. I don't understand your response. Some of these;
Royal Guard, Queen, Crusher, Warriors, Power Loader, Weyland-Yutani Commandos, Predalien and Predator Hell Hounds
Are wave 3 items?

As CURNOW asked can you let us know what minis are in Waves 2 and 3.

Look forward to your response.

@Warzone. Ah, so it's an all or none thing with the PM. That makes some kind of sense. Not going to moan about that, as I took advantage of that very thing a while ago to add to my initial order. I've felt a bit silly for doing it at times, considering the stuff after it, but I was happy enough at having the opportunity.

thanks @ Curnow, for letting us know I can just leave it alone and it will close itself when shipping is due. I was thinking I had to go in to change it.

@ Ktulhut. That's a painful amount of duty. Sorry to hear about that. I hope something can get sorted for you as a compromise. Lots of freebies going around for example for shows...>cough< Just a thought if it does turn out to have been faults at the Prodos end of things.

Maybe there aren't as many backers in the US and Canada as I thought there would be.

Prodos- In the September 11th update you mentioned the boat would hit the shores of North America in 2-3 weeks. Add a couple weeks for customs and the shipping container should have been to the distributer by the first week of October.

Ninja Division took possession of their copies in August and it took them 2 months to ship them out. If we are in North America, should we expect to our AvP KS boxes by the end of the year?

Also, since the shipping container was loaded up before Fox approved "wave 2", the packages bound to backers will not have any of the other miniatures being shipped now, correct?

From the FrothersUnite Facebook page:

Tried to post on the forum, but my IP has been blocked! HAHA!
Anyway:
Hey everyone!
It may come as a great surprise for many of you to hear that, due to a number of personal reasons, I have handed in my notice at Prodos Games. My last working day will be at Crisis in Antwerp on the 7th of November.
It's been a ride that's been both enjoyable and rocky in equal measure; teaching me to endure through thick and thin. I've dealt with overjoyed, humble and happy customers; as well as some that have been not quite so pleasant! I like to think that I have had a positive impact on all of Prodos Games' customers in one way or another.
I wish all of my colleagues the best of luck in the future.
Thanks!
Rob
P.s. I do realise communication isn't great, so I do answer emails (even if it takes a bit longer) on my email at robDOTalderman@prodosDOTcoDOTuk. Please feel free to email that address for help.

Edited to de-spam the email address

Probably for the best if his Panzerfauste KS isn't marred by AvP

For the purposes of creating a clear separation between Panzerfauste and Prodos it makes sense for this to happen, especially where there might be - for example - a complaint about the existence of the Panzerfauste KS given the ongoing nature of the AvP KS delivery. So now Prodos are simply producing the Panzerfauste minis for a company they don't have anything to do with, just as they do for several other kickstarter projects out there.

Good luck to ya, Rob!

However, if you were the sort of person who was ****ed off by the connection in the first place and you were in some way invested in AvP then.. well, you just shot yourself in the foot. Rob was kind of like the A-Team. If you could find him (i.e. he was temporarily not drowning and had the capacity to even look at his inbox) and nobody else could help.. Rob would always get things moving for you.

Ho-hum. I'm starting to think I should just buy a copy of AvP from my FLGS..

 Siygess wrote:
For the purposes of creating a clear separation between Panzerfauste and Prodos it makes sense for this to happen, especially where there might be - for example - a complaint about the existence of the Panzerfauste KS given the ongoing nature of the AvP KS delivery. So now Prodos are simply producing the Panzerfauste minis for a company they don't have anything to do with, just as they do for several other kickstarter projects out there.

Good luck to ya, Rob!

However, if you were the sort of person who was ****ed off by the connection in the first place and you were in some way invested in AvP then.. well, you just shot yourself in the foot. Rob was kind of like the A-Team. If you could find him (i.e. he was temporarily not drowning and had the capacity to even look at his inbox) and nobody else could help.. Rob would always get things moving for you.

Ho-hum. I'm starting to think I should just buy a copy of AvP from my FLGS..

Hi there

Well Rob was like one man army, however for money we have paid him we will have 3 people, I think it's a good move for him, as he has a lot of personal issues and working full time it's not an option for him anymore.

Also I think it's good move for us, as it will unable to consolidate Prodos games group (3 companies) into 1 company, saving a lot on taxes we have to pay in 2 different countries.

Just completed the PM, very quick and easy!

I did notice that as I was exploring my profile information, I had to re-enter my full name. Perhaps some people haven't realised this? Might be worth checking if you haven't looked.

Also I assume US customers put their State in the "County" field, right?

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

 Siygess wrote:
For the purposes of creating a clear separation between Panzerfauste and Prodos it makes sense for this to happen, especially where there might be - for example - a complaint about the existence of the Panzerfauste KS given the ongoing nature of the AvP KS delivery. So now Prodos are simply producing the Panzerfauste minis for a company they don't have anything to do with, just as they do for several other kickstarter projects out there.

Good luck to ya, Rob!

However, if you were the sort of person who was ****ed off by the connection in the first place and you were in some way invested in AvP then.. well, you just shot yourself in the foot. Rob was kind of like the A-Team. If you could find him (i.e. he was temporarily not drowning and had the capacity to even look at his inbox) and nobody else could help.. Rob would always get things moving for you.

Ho-hum. I'm starting to think I should just buy a copy of AvP from my FLGS..

Hi there

Well Rob was like one man army, however for money we have paid him we will have 3 people, I think it's a good move for him, as he has a lot of personal issues and working full time it's not an option for him anymore.

Also I think it's good move for us, as it will unable to consolidate Prodos games group (3 companies) into 1 company, saving a lot on taxes we have to pay in 2 different countries.

Is he ok with you outing him like this? Even if there are no details it still seems inappropriate...

 Mymearan wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

 Siygess wrote:
For the purposes of creating a clear separation between Panzerfauste and Prodos it makes sense for this to happen, especially where there might be - for example - a complaint about the existence of the Panzerfauste KS given the ongoing nature of the AvP KS delivery. So now Prodos are simply producing the Panzerfauste minis for a company they don't have anything to do with, just as they do for several other kickstarter projects out there.

Good luck to ya, Rob!

However, if you were the sort of person who was ****ed off by the connection in the first place and you were in some way invested in AvP then.. well, you just shot yourself in the foot. Rob was kind of like the A-Team. If you could find him (i.e. he was temporarily not drowning and had the capacity to even look at his inbox) and nobody else could help.. Rob would always get things moving for you.

Ho-hum. I'm starting to think I should just buy a copy of AvP from my FLGS..

Hi there

Well Rob was like one man army, however for money we have paid him we will have 3 people, I think it's a good move for him, as he has a lot of personal issues and working full time it's not an option for him anymore.

Also I think it's good move for us, as it will unable to consolidate Prodos games group (3 companies) into 1 company, saving a lot on taxes we have to pay in 2 different countries.

Is he ok with you outing him like this? Even if there are no details it still seems inappropriate...

He has put up his own details in posts linked in his Panzerfauste thread about caring for his sick parent. If anything, the part about his pay was more surprising to me personally. Ymmv.

For what its worth, I wish Rob the very best in his future endevours. We've all got issues, there is nothing to be ashamed of. Certainly nothing that can't be overcome, you just need to get up one more time than you've been knocked down!

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
..it will unable to consolidate Prodos games group (3 companies) into 1 company, saving a lot on taxes we have to pay in 2 different countries...

Paying less tax is always a good thing. So does that mean Prodos is now entirely based in Poland, with no UK "office" ?

Isn't PRODOS still making minis for Rob's campaign too?

I'm confused...

 Alpharius wrote:
Isn't PRODOS still making minis for Rob's campaign too?

I'm confused...

Prodos is apparently their first choice, but they will use others if they need to.

 Alpharius wrote:
Isn't PRODOS still making minis for Rob's campaign too?

I'm confused...

As I understand it:

Prodos will still make the minis for Hysterical

Rob will no longer be an employee of Prodos, he will continue to own/ run Hysterical.

From Jarek's note about now merging the companies, I assume that Rob's shares in Prodos will be bought out by the company/ other shareholders.

richred_uk wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Isn't PRODOS still making minis for Rob's campaign too?

I'm confused...

As I understand it:

Prodos will still make the minis for Hysterical

Rob will no longer be an employee of Prodos, he will continue to own/ run Hysterical.

From Jarek's note about now merging the companies, I assume that Rob's shares in Prodos will be bought out by the company/ other shareholders.

Just to make it clear, we have agreed to make 100+ sculpts on credit for Hysterical. As for production, nothing is agreed yet.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:


Just to make it clear, we have agreed to make 100+ sculpts on credit for Hysterical. As for production, nothing is agreed yet.

Let me see if I understand all this.

You went in to debt with the Warzone KS. You ran the AVP KS in part to try to dig out of the Warzone debt hole. That didn't work. You now cannot afford to send out what I and others have paid for quite a while ago.

And now you're doing work for another KS (for a soon to be former employee) on credit.

 CptJake wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:


Just to make it clear, we have agreed to make 100+ sculpts on credit for Hysterical. As for production, nothing is agreed yet.

Let me see if I understand all this.

You went in to debt with the Warzone KS. You ran the AVP KS in part to try to dig out of the Warzone debt hole. That didn't work. You now cannot afford to send out what I and others have paid for quite a while ago.

And now you're doing work for another KS (for a soon to be former employee) on credit.

I think they said it DID work to get them out of the hole for Warzone (in addition to better than expected sales). The problem now is that AVP is troubled and there is no KS to come to its rescue.

 warboss wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:


Just to make it clear, we have agreed to make 100+ sculpts on credit for Hysterical. As for production, nothing is agreed yet.

Let me see if I understand all this.

You went in to debt with the Warzone KS. You ran the AVP KS in part to try to dig out of the Warzone debt hole. That didn't work. You now cannot afford to send out what I and others have paid for quite a while ago.

And now you're doing work for another KS (for a soon to be former employee) on credit.

I think they said it DID work to get them out of the hole for Warzone (in addition to better than expected sales). The problem now is that AVP is troubled and there is no KS to come to its rescue.

It could not have really worked. It may have worked on paper to transfer debt from one project to another, but as a company they are still in the hole.

If your goal is to spite your face then cutting off your nose is a successful strategy. Of course, it doesn't mean it is a good idea or a long term beauty plan.