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Ernster wrote:
If anybody wants alternate Ratmen teams Willy is having a KS.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/willy-miniatures/fantasy-football-ratmen-team-by-willy-miniatures?ref=profile_created

Must... resist....!

Some of those do really look fantastic, and the paint job is amazing too

 RiTides wrote:

Ernster wrote:
If anybody wants alternate Ratmen teams Willy is having a KS.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/willy-miniatures/fantasy-football-ratmen-team-by-willy-miniatures?ref=profile_created

Must... resist....!

Some of those do really look fantastic, and the paint job is amazing too

I agree, to bad I've never been able to do the shaven team justice....maybe a new team of them will help

Maybe don't shave them, either! :-O

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Maybe don't shave them, either! :-O

But I want my rat ogre bald, just like Mr. Bigglesworth.

Was it willy that ran a campaign for an Asian themed ratmen team?

My copy of BB finally arrived in the mail today. I had ordered along with some Seekers of Slaanesh, so BB got held up until the ladies were ready. Minor slash in my box cover, but it didn't go all the way through. Can't even blame that one on the post lady this time, since it was UNDER the shrink wrap somehow. O_o

Anyway, reading through now and pretty psyched. Received the skaven team a couple weeks ago, so I'm looking forward to trying them out.

@ Joyboozer, I believe it was Greebo's Hand of death Japanese team you are referring too. Or, Rolljordan's Japanese Tengu rat team.

Ernster wrote:
@ Joyboozer, I believe it was Greebo's Hand of death Japanese team you are referring too. Or, Rolljordan's Japanese Tengu rat team.

That's the one, cheers

The new Ogre is not too bad.
I guess you can use it for human and skaven.

I like the Ogre. Almost certainly won't get it unless it goes into general distribution.

That ogre is fantastic. Love the dynamic pose, mid-run.

Link?

 bound for glory wrote:
Link?

You might want to be a little more specific

 Theophony wrote:

 bound for glory wrote:
Link?

You might want to be a little more specific

Probably referring to the LE Ogre and Halfling that's been bouncing around the thread a couple times now.
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If they were general release I would of preordered them in a heartbeat, but alas they are event-exclusive.

Still, I love the purple and cream colour scheme so I'll probably paint my Human team the same way in the vague hope that I can nab Grak and Crumbleberry sometime down the line.

sorry if this has been asked but do we know if there is future support planned?
i got a copy for christmas and was wondering if there will be any more teams released.

yes there will be.

Dwarves are next I think? Pictures of some of the models have been seen on the app.

Otherwise, all I've read is this;

https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/1543

*wishlist* Really hope Skaven gets done more releases like a Rat Ogre or a Star Player (fingers crossed for Hakflem Scuttlespike!)

Hopefully we should find out more on new years day from the open day

thanks guys.
thanks for the link mister feral.
i didnt know about the app. gonna have to check that out!

Not much commenting of the rules at the moment!

I noticed the Rule Book is really bad when it comes to consistency. It seems to be a dummed down version simplified version to only fit Orcs and Humans and barely that.

Compare Sure Hands for instance. In the rule book, it doesn't include protection against strip ball. But in Season One, it does.

Money handling is also different now, if you have more than 100'000 after a game, you must roll on a table to see if you get to keep it or lose some or all of it.

The MVP change from random of whole team to random of a selection seems very good though. Specially for those teams were certain positions seem to take most of the SPP (wood elf catchers and war dancers for instance).

If I measured correctly, it seems Short Pass now has the biggest range instead of Long Pass previously. As far as I was able to measure, this is what I got:



Anyone else feel free to confirm!

I wish the Skaven team would also come with the player cards like in the starter set. And the Star Player cards are very misleading since they don't list all the teams they're available to, only the teams present in the starter box. I guess the player cards will have no value for other than complete noobs.

We're also seeing so many valuable releases either limited to special events (available to just a very tiny fraction) or sold out. I would love to buy the Skaven Dice, the Winter pitch, the additional play card, the ogre and what else... I fear this will just continue.

At the moment I feel like just using the old rules and add the new MVP, Human Catcher price reduction, Skaven Runner new skill, possibly the money handling and the new pass ranges.

Gutter runners have a new skill? All the old stuff was so etched into my brain I never even bothered reading the new rules or cards!

Joyboozer wrote:
Gutter runners have a new skill? All the old stuff was so etched into my brain I never even bothered reading the new rules or cards!

They modeled the Runners with a knife, then tacked on "Weeping Blades" on as a skill because of it.
Let's them reroll injury rolls done by them. Can move a Badly Hurt to something more etc.

Some people lost their minds about that, other people were more "Yeah, so what?" then the world turned and nothing exploded.

Yeah, it's only if you're playing a league, "Weeping Dagger", just means if a runner inflicts a casualty and the casualty roll is 11-38, roll a dice and on a 4+ the player has to miss the next game.


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 Vain wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:
Gutter runners have a new skill? All the old stuff was so etched into my brain I never even bothered reading the new rules or cards!

They modeled the Runners with a knife, then tacked on "Weeping Blades" on as a skill because of it.
Let's them reroll injury rolls done by them. Can move a Badly Hurt to something more etc.

Some people lost their minds about that, other people were more "Yeah, so what?" then the world turned and nothing exploded.

No, it doesn't even let them reroll injury rolls.

I'm not really that in to playing leagues so for me I just read it then forgot about it.

But you rarely ever block with Runners anyway.

Gutter runners are great with their increased skill and movement.
If you use them well (strength 2), they are one of the best models in the game.

Was mistaken about missing cheerleaders and assistant coaches. They were removed in the dummed down rule book, but added in season book.

It's not so difficult to read the rules if you already know them well, but for new players, it could be really confusing having misinformation like that in the rule book. It was even a little confusing for me until I actually read closely in the season book.

So the rules are now partially in the rule book and partially in the season book. Also parts of the rule book is just wrong or incomplete. Well done? I'd rather just edit a few lines in the pdf.

Having part of the rules in the rule and season book follows a pattern.
Have a look at 40k and the codices and supplemental books.

So basically it's just a rerelease then . Seriously most of the skills were never updated in reprints to address new skills from new teams. The example with strip ball for instance. Strip ball wasn't introduced in the old game until later so it didn't get updated in the core box. We have to have the mentality that GW has about the set. They are trying to get more mainstream and think of the board games as entrants into game/book stores. Only the core game would ever hit mass market if they make the jump, so referencing something that isn't in the core box might get people to go online and delve deeper, but would cause more people to question the game design if it looked like it was missing something. I haven't bought a set yet, so I cannot speak to weather it's better or worse, but if they did trim it down to just humans vs. orcs, then I can see why they trimmed down the rules as well.

Have they released a FAQ of changes between old and new? I don't really want to buy a set because I have enough of the old stuff and don't like the scale creep?

I tried to list all changes, dunno if I missed something.

So this new release is tailored for new players. Rules are added bit by bit for each book, and finally, it will be 95% similar to the rules old players already knew. But at the same time, it is just frustrating and confusing for old players.

The main goal as an old player to buy the new rules was to have official printed book to use. That is now drained down the toilet with incomplete and incosistent books.

If rule book is no longer rule book but an introduction to new players, why would any existing players use it instead of home printed rules which are consistent and complete?

How long has it been since am official release? 20 years or so? I don't think it's massively unreasonable to aim this squarely at new players

Baxx wrote:
I tried to list all changes, dunno if I missed something.

So this new release is tailored for new players. Rules are added bit by bit for each book, and finally, it will be 95% similar to the rules old players already knew. But at the same time, it is just frustrating and confusing for old players.

The main goal as an old player to buy the new rules was to have official printed book to use. That is now drained down the toilet with incomplete and incosistent books

What did you think GW were gonna do? It's GW!