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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Here's Laila Ali, a female boxer, multiple times world champion, undefeated throughout her entire career.

Note how she doesn't remotely resemble the Ravagers' gals, who look more ripped than Conan't, and have tiny heads with huge square jaws.

She's also not forced to survive in a mutated chaotic land.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Here's Laila Ali, a female boxer, multiple times world champion, undefeated throughout her entire career.

Note how she doesn't remotely resemble the Ravagers' gals, who look more ripped than Conan't, and have tiny heads with huge square jaws.

You realize that if she was straight up scaled down to miniature size she'd look skinnier than what in GW's super buff dudes style passes for a starved hobo, right?

I think the anatomy of the barbarian gals looks just fine.



They're miniature representation of someone who's pretty damn ripped like Brooke Ence. When you take the heroic miniature scale into account, the end result looks fine.


I agree that the faces look somewhat questionable, but as has been already been many times noted, it is quite likely that this is just due the paintjob. Now the heads looks pretty small on both genders, but this is because GW has recently been moving in more realistic scaling in that regard. Granted, having gotten used to more excessive heroic scaling which makes heads relatively larger it might look a tad off, and I'm not sure I like it.

Sarouan wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Here's Laila Ali, a female boxer, multiple times world champion, undefeated throughout her entire careeer.
Note how she doesn't remotely resemble the Ravagers' gals, who look more ripped than Conan't, and have tiny heads with huge square jaws.

She's also not forced to survive in a mutated chaotic land.

Anyone forced to survive in a mutated chaotic land wouldn't look like a bodybuilder, cause it takes a whole lot of food and resources for effects that aren't useful to surviving.

Laila however, had a job that consisted entirely of being the best at beating the crap out of people.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Anyone forced to survive in a mutated chaotic land wouldn't look like a bodybuilder, cause it takes a whole lot of food and resources for effects that aren't useful to surviving.

Laila however, had a job that consisted entirely of being the best at beating the crap out of people.

There's a difference between a professionnal athlete in our modern world and a barbarian living in a savage world with monsters and cataclysmic events making life a constant struggle of all instants.

It "being a job" doesn't mean she's fit to survive in the Eight Points.

Sarouan wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Anyone forced to survive in a mutated chaotic land wouldn't look like a bodybuilder, cause it takes a whole lot of food and resources for effects that aren't useful to surviving.

Laila however, had a job that consisted entirely of being the best at beating the crap out of people.

There's a difference between a professionnal athlete in our modern world and a barbarian living in a savage world with monsters and cataclysmic events making life a constant struggle of all instants.

It "being a job" doesn't mean she's fit to survive in the Eight Points.

Yeah but professional athletes are more likely to survive in the Eight Points than bodybuilders, as professional athletes are performance-oriented, while bodybuilders, with their extremely visible muscles and not a gram of fat are entirely oriented about looking good above everything else, and would probably have quite a hard time surviving without their protein shakes every 2 hours.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Here's Laila Ali, a female boxer, multiple times world champion, undefeated throughout her entire career.

Note how she doesn't remotely resemble the Ravagers' gals, who look more ripped than Conan't, and have tiny heads with huge square jaws.

Male boxers don't look anything like the male darkoath either, no. Funny how that works.

Female bodybuilders seem to be more similar, for some reason, though:




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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Sarouan wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Here's Laila Ali, a female boxer, multiple times world champion, undefeated throughout her entire careeer.
Note how she doesn't remotely resemble the Ravagers' gals, who look more ripped than Conan't, and have tiny heads with huge square jaws.

She's also not forced to survive in a mutated chaotic land.

Anyone forced to survive in a mutated chaotic land wouldn't look like a bodybuilder, cause it takes a whole lot of food and resources for effects that aren't useful to surviving.

Laila however, had a job that consisted entirely of being the best at beating the crap out of people.

Very true, neither male nor female would look like that. But they do ^^

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Yeah but professional athletes are more likely to survive in the Eight Points than bodybuilders, as professional athletes are performance-oriented, while bodybuilders, with their extremely visible muscles and not a gram of fat are entirely oriented about looking good above everything else, and would probably have quite a hard time surviving without their protein shakes every 2 hours.

Who said they were bodybuilders ? They're barbarians.

 Albertorius wrote:

Very true, neither male nor female would look like that. But they do ^^

Good thing a chaotic mutated wasteland with horrific monsters doesn't exist in our world as well.

Honestly, I feel like you're trying to paint this as a big problem while it's not. It's a fantasy wargame. Doesn't have to be perfectly realist at all...and it doesn't have to lack muscular women as well.

So far, the face that is laughed at is mostly a question of how the picture was taken and how the miniature was painted. The miniature in our hands can be seen differently.

And if you really don't like the "small head" ? Cut it and put another that is more "up the scale". It's plastic, it's easy to convert.

Either way, it was never a big deal. Like all the buzz made on previously female miniature the same people were criticizing in the past. The real issue, here, is not the miniatures.

Sarouan wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

Very true, neither male nor female would look like that. But they do ^^

Good thing a chaotic mutated wasteland with horrific monsters doesn't exist in our world as well.

Honestly, I feel like you're trying to paint this as a big problem while it's not. It's a fantasy wargame. Doesn't have to be perfectly realist at all...and it doesn't have to lack muscular women as well.

So far, the face that is laughed at is mostly a question of how the picture was taken and how the miniature was painted. The miniature in our hands can be seen differently.

And if you really don't like the "small head" ? Cut it and put another that is more "up the scale". It's plastic, it's easy to convert.

Either way, it was never a big deal. Like all the buzz made on previously female miniature the same people were criticizing in the past. The real issue, here, is not the miniatures.

In case that's aimed at me, I'm perfectly OK with how they look. They're not realistic, and I don't much care.

Sarouan wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Anyone forced to survive in a mutated chaotic land wouldn't look like a bodybuilder, cause it takes a whole lot of food and resources for effects that aren't useful to surviving.

Laila however, had a job that consisted entirely of being the best at beating the crap out of people.

There's a difference between a professionnal athlete in our modern world and a barbarian living in a savage world with monsters and cataclysmic events making life a constant struggle of all instants.

It "being a job" doesn't mean she's fit to survive in the Eight Points.

that would not make them look like Bodybuilders either, with live being a constant struggle, they would look more like a marathon athlete

Sarouan wrote:

There's a difference between a professionnal athlete in our modern world and a barbarian living in a savage world with monsters and cataclysmic events making life a constant struggle of all instants.

It "being a job" doesn't mean she's fit to survive in the Eight Points.

Making up alternate realisms to justify unrealism is "a wizard did it" level garbage apologism.

 kodos wrote:

that would not make them look like Bodybuilders either, with live being a constant struggle, they would look more like a marathon athlete

Wait, are you telling me that the Age of Sigmar is not an accurate simulation of nutrition and living conditions to the human physique! That explains why my fitness plan of making ritual sacrifices to dark gods hasn't worked!

Sarouan wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Yeah but professional athletes are more likely to survive in the Eight Points than bodybuilders, as professional athletes are performance-oriented, while bodybuilders, with their extremely visible muscles and not a gram of fat are entirely oriented about looking good above everything else, and would probably have quite a hard time surviving without their protein shakes every 2 hours.

Who said they were bodybuilders ? They're barbarians.

Anyone can tell they've got bodybuilder bodies instead of ones suited for survival or performance, if they take one look at then.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Anyone can tell they've got bodybuilder bodies instead of ones suited for survival or performance, if they take one look at then.

Yeah, what sort of an idiot would think that barbarians should look like bodybuilders!

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Sarouan wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Yeah but professional athletes are more likely to survive in the Eight Points than bodybuilders, as professional athletes are performance-oriented, while bodybuilders, with their extremely visible muscles and not a gram of fat are entirely oriented about looking good above everything else, and would probably have quite a hard time surviving without their protein shakes every 2 hours.

Who said they were bodybuilders ? They're barbarians.

Anyone can tell they've got bodybuilder bodies instead of ones suited for survival or performance, if they take one look at then.

This is true. But as was pointed out, is also true of the males. No one watches the old Arnold Conan and complains about his body builder body... its fantasy. Works for both the men and the women... or doesnt work at all.

Its the same as fantasy elements in other places. On the ASOIAF forurm and cmon... this guy was complaining about the Antlers on the Baratheon Helms. There are dragon, giants, bear riders and lions pulling chariots, but antlers on helmets is just too far...

Either you like it or you dont, but if you are going to play the realism card you cant pick and choose.

 Crimson wrote:

 kodos wrote:

that would not make them look like Bodybuilders either, with live being a constant struggle, they would look more like a marathon athlete

Wait, are you telling me that the Age of Sigmar is not an accurate simulation of nutrition and living conditions to the human physique! That explains why my fitness plan of making ritual sacrifices to dark gods hasn't worked!

Nice one

first argument is that those Barbarians must look like that because this is "realistic" and now the argument is that AoS is not realistic at all hence why those models do not need to look realsitic

if people say they look odd and they don't like them because for the reason that those are neither looking real, nor like a heroscale version of something, counter that buy "they are realistic for an unrealistic setting" is far stretched

They do look realistic... but realistic as body builders. Someone pointed out that they would not look like body builders for... reasons... but that would apply to the males as well, no?

edit: or is there another reason only the females are being targeted?

they look like fantasy body builders but the sculpts are still off
for reasons I don't know GW has a trend of let their models look wrong because they try to make heroscale fantasy look realistic

they get away with it because Aliens, Daemons or Orcs are not real creatures were everything wrong is because "Aliens" but with humans it gets more clear

they look like body builders with lumbago

don't know why the females are now a bigger topic, but after the first preview, the male one was targeted too as just being a bad sculpted body builder were the different parts of the body don't fit together

 kodos wrote:

Nice one

first argument is that those Barbarians must look like that because this is "realistic" and now the argument is that AoS is not realistic at all hence why those models do not need to look realsitic

if people say they look odd and they don't like them because for the reason that those are neither looking real, nor like a heroscale version of something, counter that buy "they are realistic for an unrealistic setting" is far stretched

They're realistic in a sense that they're roughly accurate depiction of muscular human physique. They're not realistic in a sense that we could accurately account them being muscular to their living conditions.
They're supposed to be big buff fantasy barbarians, and that's what they look like.

 kodos wrote:
they look like fantasy body builders but the sculpts are still off
for reasons I don't know GW has a trend of let their models look wrong because they try to make heroscale fantasy look realistic

they get away with it because Aliens, Daemons or Orcs are not real creatures were everything wrong is because "Aliens" but with humans it gets more clear

they look like body builders with lumbago

don't know why the females are now a bigger topic, but after the first preview, the male one was targeted too as just being a bad sculpted body builder were the different parts of the body don't fit together

I agree that the one with the spear in particular looks off. I really want to see the bare plastic before making any conclusions though.

I've asked a painter I know via Twitch who's gotten a preview copy of Red Harvest if she can have a look at the women from the Darkoath set, especially not-Sonja and throwing-axe-and-spear woman, to see how they look in person. Will provide feedback when I get it.

Any indication if the terrain will be sold separately yet? I don't want to buy 3+ copies of this box if I don't have to.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

 frankelee wrote:


Bwahahahahaha. Is this sculptor being paid by the disappointment? I'm surprised the people who are into that sort of thing are defending this, I would have thought they'd be the most let down by the terrible job they did making muscular women.

I'm more amused by all the people across various internet forums and subreddits mad that they look more like real humans and less like anime waifus, submissive and breedable. But I've learned that the gaming community is full of fragile men so...

The thing on the left is a woman?

It looks really deformed.

Hey... a bit of respect for Sloth out of the Goonies. Hopefully GW won't end up with a court case for likeness.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Any indication if the terrain will be sold separately yet? I don't want to buy 3+ copies of this box if I don't have to.

Might be a wait.

I felt like certain pieces of the terrain from the first Warcry boxed set were sold separately months after its release, but I don't believe we ever got a release for the Sigmar head ruins/wooden tower-bridge that accompanies it and the chaos spiky bits barriers.

The buildings/ruins that made up the bulk of the Warcry boxed set we for sure got a release for. It was in two boxed sets and they tied it to an exclusive water fountain thing that you could only get in one of those boxes. I think the bell tower also got a release, maybe with some extras.

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 kodos wrote:

don't know why the females are now a bigger topic, but after the first preview, the male one was targeted too as just being a bad sculpted body builder were the different parts of the body don't fit together

Females were targeted first by some people because of the view of barbarian women in their mind. If a guy shows muscles, it's okay, even if proportions aren't good. If it's a girl is muscular, it looks weird...mostly because these people aren't that used to see muscular women the same way than males.

It's not rocket science, honestly. It's purely a question of bias from my point of view.


That's why I say they're barbarians. They're depictions of fantasy barbarians...in 32-ish mm "heroic scale" miniatures. Of course the muscular women would look weird to people who can't accept that kind of vision. That's why we got picture of professionnal athletes as if they were arguments.

Realism has nothing to do with it. Not even the size of heads (they're the same size on all GW miniatures, by the way). Someone decided to make fun of that particular one because it looks way more "uglier" to him and other with the same mindset gladly piled on it. Because let's be honest : this is a very old topic in reality - how "realist proportions look like in GW miniatures"...and yet, some people seem not to understand that GW always made Warhammer fantasy/SF miniatures that look cool, not perfectly realist ones at this scale.

The reason why they did something much closer to that with Lord of the Rings simply for one reason : it was to be as close to the movies as possible. With Warhammer, it was never the purpose.

 Smokestack wrote:
They do look realistic... but realistic as body builders. Someone pointed out that they would not look like body builders for... reasons... but that would apply to the males as well, no?

Probably because people are trying to say the women looking like bodybuilders is realistic, while at the same time pointing at Conan as the reason they look like that (quite hypocritical). I'd rather have them all have a bit of chub on them. GW certainly can make more realistically-built Chaos Cultists of both genders, just look at Blackstone Fortress.

Also, speaking of terrain, if anyone is getting this boxed set, avoid gluing pieces together until you've seen all possibilities for that particular piece.

I recall a bit of controversy with the first boxed set regarding the assembly of the tower/bridge thing that would mount on top of the fallen Sigmar head statue. The directions would tell you to glue a certain part together (for the tower), then later on in the instructions for a different set up (the bridge), another piece was used where the part that was previously glued onto would be blocking it.

I bought two sets out of the gate so it wasn't a big deal to me, but I remember it was a big topic of discussion on the Warcry FB page.

Funny discussion but I have to confess that I didn't see any female at first glance XD Only when someone pointed they were female barbarians I had a closer look...

With that said the Conan one looks great but I believe there is a problem with female anatomy in 28mm at GW HQ. Gw style always has been about big cartoony hands and heads that somewhat works on males but when needs to be translated to a female it looks errrr... not that nice.

But then you look at some of the thin slender vampires and anatomy looks nice.

Hit and miss.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Smokestack wrote:
They do look realistic... but realistic as body builders. Someone pointed out that they would not look like body builders for... reasons... but that would apply to the males as well, no?

Probably because people are trying to say the women looking like bodybuilders is realistic, while at the same time pointing at Conan as the reason they look like that (quite hypocritical). I'd rather have them all have a bit of chub on them. GW certainly can make more realistically-built Chaos Cultists of both genders, just look at Blackstone Fortress.

Sure, its possible. GW could make rounder fatter guys too. In those Strongman shows, the strongest guys tend to be bulkier (fatter) and less chiseled... and also have difficulty breathing and require oxygen more often... but are really stronger than the body builder guys...

I am not saying that the 4 darkoath women in this set should represent all Darkoath women. But dont find their inclusion as immersion breaking or less realistic than the males. Is there room for less muscled women? Sure. Is there room for portly out of shape women, or thinner "prettier" women? Sure. But I dont think there is anything wrong with the ones in this set. The sculpting issues MAY be a problem, but at this point i am not sure if that is a problem or not. And pointing to Conan, i dont think is hypocritical as he was portrayed by a body builder and is usually the first thing people think of at the mention of "barbarian". In Fantasy, we have room for Arnold Barbarians and Jason Mamoa Barbarians, but also Karl Urban (pathfinder) barbarians... We should have the same room for different iterations of female ones as well.

Now whether you think these ladies are "ugly" that is a personal preference... Whether they are ugly or not doesnt really factor in to whether I like them (i do). Again, not sold yet on Spear lady... but I do think that even if the sculpt is not great in hand, she wont be out of place on a table top mixed in with the other muscle barbarians.

Sarouan wrote:

 kodos wrote:

don't know why the females are now a bigger topic, but after the first preview, the male one was targeted too as just being a bad sculpted body builder were the different parts of the body don't fit together

Females were targeted first by some people because of the view of barbarian women in their mind. If a guy shows muscles, it's okay, even if proportions aren't good. If it's a girl is muscular, it looks weird...mostly because these people aren't that used to see muscular women the same way than males.

"those" people targeted the male one first because the 3 identical Elven heads in his hand were bigger than his own, and that his body looked unnatural even for a body builder

the female topic came up because some people did not recognized the model with the spear as female, which brings in the point that for body builders the difference between male and female is not there any more of some obvious markers, like long hair and the face, are not there

this in combination with the models that look unnatural because something with the body & pose is off, now "those" point to the obvious point because otherwise it is hard to tell why they look wrong.
but the models have the same problem as other recent models, the basic anatomy is slightly off