AOS N&R (Adepticon p211, Range Purge p221)

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**Grimskul**

That is a BIG boost for Brutes, especially their Jagged Gore Hackas, which have usually been quite limited in the past compared to the double choppas option. Having rend -2 finally makes them feel like the elite unit they should be, I'm hoping their pricing remains competitive compared to Ardboyz.

**CMLR**

I really feel dumb reading this new pages. I feel them too complicated.

**NinthMusketeer**

Cronch wrote:
So it seems the new not-liberators have better save than the other battleline, previous iterations still stuck with the 4+. Let's hope their special abilities make up for it, or the liberators will be again cheap core filler.

Sequitors are a bit of a special case because of how their rules work. Right now the shields don't provide a passive effect; each combat phase the unit can either channel to their shields or their weapons. Weapons gives RRs to hit, shields give a 5+ ward.

Other SCE units with shields have a passive 'reduce incoming rend by 1' ability and it is that I would expect to see baked into a 3+ save characteristic in the future. However I do not mean to dismiss what you are saying here; you could still very much be correct in your assumption.

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CMLR wrote:
I really feel dumb reading this new pages. I feel them too complicated.

The actual warscrolls will be easier to read.

**DaveC**

FAQ updates - Cogs restricted to 1 wizard, wards changed to 1 per wound and another go at Wyldwoods (I think don’t know Sylvaneth to comment)

GHB https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Nx3vTlkaz7ekCv7J.pdf

Core rules https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/0f2lPBAeWV2trBmu.pdf

Sylvaneth https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/WD7GreeTzy4IHmzP.pdf

**AduroT**

More new FAQs, Sylvaneth, Core, and GHB. Sylvaneth removed the line about deleting the Navigate rule and using the Wyldwood’s instead so teleports are back on the menu. Core looks to have backtracked on its Ward stuff and it’s back to only one.

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Man, I appreciate the magenta to show off new stuff, but they could really use something to show a rule that was there previous that you are to now disregard. Trying to figure out what was deleted is annoying.

**lare2**

This ward malarkey has been an absolute debacle.

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Glad it's fixed now though.

**NinthMusketeer**

Credit where credit is due, I appreciate GW stepping in to fix this relatively quickly. While their process has room for improvement, this is indeed improvement.

**usernamesareannoying**

Any word on the new aos app?

**tneva82**

Like the fixing of stacking wards, cogs getting nerfed(I had to avoid that spell because would have felt dirty using it) and pile in changed so that if you are equ distance to 2 units you can just choose one. While niche case I even as lumineth player I felt dirty about neutering any melee hero without 2" reach with 2 flying foxes so that you HAVE to a) fall back b) hope you get double turn or you will never ever land a blow.

**Inquisitor Gideon**

Well, it's a start at least:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/09/05/sunday-preview-two-new-battletomes-and-a-whole-new-show-on-warhammer/

**Kanluwen**

I just wanted the Vigilors, dangit.

**Dysartes**

*looks at the Stormcast chariot*

That's a very axe-like spear being used there...

**CMLR**

About time.

RIP Lord-Arcanum on Gryph-charger and Evocator-Prime for a possible Start Collecting! Sacrosanct Chamber.

I really liked the dice. Hopefully they can stay longer, one of each.

ROFLMFAO at the promo of "win you own Titan". You have to pay 100 quids in resin crack to get just one single entry.

**Mr_Rose**

Dysartes wrote:
*looks at the Stormcast chariot*

That's a very axe-like spear being used there...

Maybe the named spear is an alternative (and super-fancy) build for the archer guy and that’s just the other crew weapon?

**Inquisitor Gideon**

Got to say the chariot has been my favourite ever since it was previewed way back when. It's an instant buy of 3.

**nels1031**

From SCE Facebook page:

Thought i'd transcribe the rules for Bastian Carthalos since the warscroll card preview was nice enough to show them off. He's pretty badass it seems.
So he has 6" movement, 8 wounds, 10 bravery and a 3+ save. His weapon is Uskavar the Sunderer, which has 4 attacks, hits on 3+s, wounds on 2+s, has -2 rend and does a huge 4 damage per attack!
His rules are the following:
The Thunderborn
Once per turn you may choose one enemy unit on the battlefield and roll a number of dice equal to its wound characteristic. For each 6, that unit suffers 1 mortal wound.
Castellan of Azyr
At the start of the first battle round, after determining who has the first turn but before the first turn begins, you can select up to D3 friendly HAMMERS OF SIGMAR units and redeploy them, any restrictions from the battleplan still apply.
Vessel of the Tempest
This unit has a ward of 4+
Voice of Thunder
Once per turn this unit can issue a command to a HAMMERS OF SIGMAR unit without a command point being spent.
Mantle of the First Storm
At the end of a phase if any enemy models were destroyed by wounds caused by this unit's attacks in that phase, you can heal all wounds allocated to this unit.

**Sotahullu**

About damn time these books came out.

**SamusDrake**

I'll be getting the SCE warscrolls for now, but just wondering if these card packs also contain alligiance abilities and all that jazz?

Bit puzzled as to the "Orruk Warclans" battletome. I assumed the Kruleboyz were their own faction?

**Dysartes**

No, the three flavours of Orc - RIP classic generic Orcs - are all in the one book.

**SamusDrake**

Oh I see. I guess the Orks were a bit thin on models separately.

**Overread**

It's a tricky thing as recombining makes armies "bigger" and more diverse without any work from GW; it also brings back some old fans who have old armies and want to see some of their old forces work once again in the new setting.

At the same time they've got a whole host of new fans who sort of don't want that. Eg myself I know that Dark Elves as an army are basically all there, they lost perhaps one or two leader models, but by and large the army is complete in AoS.
Yet I got in because of Daughters of Khaine and I'd not want to see that army "lost" or diluted into a greater Aelf force. Yes there'd be lots of cool new models to use, but at the same time they lose some of their identity if that were to happen.

**NAVARRO**

Overread wrote:
It's a tricky thing as recombining makes armies "bigger" and more diverse without any work from GW; it also brings back some old fans who have old armies and want to see some of their old forces work once again in the new setting.

Imagine how awesome it would be to bring Gobbos into the book too! A huge crazy O&G army.

**SamusDrake**

Overread wrote:

Yet I got in because of Daughters of Khaine and I'd not want to see that army "lost" or diluted into a greater Aelf force. Yes there'd be lots of cool new models to use, but at the same time they lose some of their identity if that were to happen.

Understandable, as in another loose example I was sad to know that Dragon Princes weren't their own faction but tacked onto the Stormcasts. Thankfully I'll be getting that battletome anyway so I guess it saves me having to purchase two tomes instead. But even still, a faction of Dragons is damn cool and the Stormcasts are kinda cramping their style!

**Inquisitor Gideon**

NAVARRO wrote:
Overread wrote:
It's a tricky thing as recombining makes armies "bigger" and more diverse without any work from GW; it also brings back some old fans who have old armies and want to see some of their old forces work once again in the new setting.

Imagine how awesome it would be to bring Gobbos into the book too! A huge crazy O&G army.

Nah, gitz have got their own personality now outside of the orcs. No need to dump them back under them again

**tneva82**

Overread wrote:
It's a tricky thing as recombining makes armies "bigger" and more diverse without any work from GW; it also brings back some old fans who have old armies and want to see some of their old forces work once again in the new setting.

At the same time they've got a whole host of new fans who sort of don't want that. Eg myself I know that Dark Elves as an army are basically all there, they lost perhaps one or two leader models, but by and large the army is complete in AoS.
Yet I got in because of Daughters of Khaine and I'd not want to see that army "lost" or diluted into a greater Aelf force. Yes there'd be lots of cool new models to use, but at the same time they lose some of their identity if that were to happen.

Otoh if you specialize you get bonuses you miss out on going big waagh

At least this way you don"t lose every faction thing for 2nd group like you would with allies.

**Rogerio134134**

Yes finally a new stormcast book. Really has cramped my enthusiasm at the start of 3rd by the long delay for the book but I'm going to get back on the paint train soon for the book release.

**Manfred von Drakken**

CMLR wrote:
About time.

RIP Lord-Arcanum on Gryph-charger and Evocator-Prime for a possible Start Collecting! Sacrosanct Chamber.

I really liked the dice. Hopefully they can stay longer, one of each.

RFLMFAO at the promo of "win you own Titan". You have to pay 100 quids in resin crack to ge tjust one single entry.

And only if you're in the UK.

**CMLR**

Dysartes wrote:
*looks at the Stormcast chariot*

That's a very axe-like spear being used there...

Remember that Thunder Warriors Stormcast originally loved their hammers.

SamusDrake wrote:
I assumed the Kruleboyz were their own faction?

I dunno. Asking or telling? (English is really silly).

**SamusDrake**

CMLR wrote:

I dunno. Asking or telling? (English is really silly).

No worries. Was asking but Dysartes answered it for me.

**AduroT**

CMLR wrote:
ROFLMFAO at the promo of "win you own Titan". You have to pay 100 quids in resin crack to get just one single entry.

Oh wow I missed it was spend 100 per entry. I hadn’t bothered to read how you entered before since US (and a few others) can’t participate.