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The crawling troggoth has an 18" +1 to hit aura for 150 pts, gotta balance everything around that.

Doby ftw

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The crawling troggoth has an 18" +1 to hit aura for 150 pts, gotta balance everything around that.

Ash said 18", Goonhammer says it is 12", does anyone know which one it is?

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
The crawling troggoth has an 18" +1 to hit aura for 150 pts, gotta balance everything around that.

Ash said 18", Goonhammer says it is 12", does anyone know which one it is?

Expect Doby at 12". 18", especially at 150, is broken.

Ash shows the warscroll in his video and it says 18”

Well I am still bit sad we didn't get regular grots... Maybe "next" time.


And after reading about new Stormcast there is actually some new options that makes it more interesting for me.

 DaveC wrote:
Ash shows the warscroll in his video and it says 18”

No wonder he was so excited for his ogres. Expect a rise in points in the very near future!

Getting effective confirmation that GW is taking the same head-in-the-sand-pretend-the-internet-doesn't-exist approach rules content in AOS that it has in 40k makes this a pretty sad day. It's 2021 and they're actually reducing digital rules access, which is just mind-bogglingly shortsighted and greedy.

Guess the people who said that AOS only ever had free scrolls online because it was a new game are right. GW gotta raise margins to 44% to keep that stock price rising, 43% margins aren't enough!

If you think that thing is going to keep the +1 to hit for all friendly models you're going to be in for a disappointment when the first FAQ comes out. At best it'll be all orruks; if you're unlucky, it'll be only KB.

Can’t be That greedy if they don’t want my money anymore. Just like I do for 40k, I’ll keep getting my codex PDFs online, I just can’t pay GW for them anymore.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 CMLR wrote:
Again what I noticed is the lack of free warscrolls.

Yeah. An unfortunate shift and AoS is worse for it. The warscrolls will still be available for free online, GW just lost out on providing them.

Unfortunate indeed. I played games and bought models because the warscrolls were available for free.

But guys! They have a Facebook page. GW have changed!

Well they did change; warscrolls were available for free for 6 years after all and core rules still are. It just isn't a binary where they are either good or bad; they make a lot of decisions and the cumulative weight of them adds up to the company moving in a positive direction or negative one, and that direction can change. Right now it isn't going in a good direction but that doesn't mean it never did.

By all means we should criticize bad decisions, but let's also not forget that this situation is still way, waaaaaaaay better than late-stage Kirby era. Simply boiling things down to 'GW hasn't changed' is to say 'late stage Kirby policies were not any worse than what we have now' and I seriously doubt that is a viewpoint anyone is actually trying to express.


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 CMLR wrote:
None of them have their warscrolls on .pdf.

Noo, people told me just because Dominion didn't have them doesn't mean GW will push it's paid app over free PDFs!

Who the heck told you that? It was pretty dam obvious what was happening.


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 AduroT wrote:
Can’t be That greedy if they don’t want my money anymore. Just like I do for 40k, I’ll keep getting my codex PDFs online, I just can’t pay GW for them anymore.

Yup.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:


By all means we should criticize bad decisions, but let's also not forget that this situation is still way, waaaaaaaay better than late-stage Kirby era. Simply boiling things down to 'GW hasn't changed' is to say 'late stage Kirby policies were not any worse than what we have now' and I seriously doubt that is a viewpoint anyone is actually trying to express.

Is this really true any more, though? I mean clearly GW went through a period where it was more customer-friendly. But can we still say this is the case now, in September 2021? They've discontinued digital rules. They've discontinued free warscrolls. They discontinued the working AOS app and haven't replaced it with anything, and the 40k version is a mess. They've started a new round of IP enforcement by cracking down on animations in order to bring them in house and charge people money for what used to be free - not as widespread an IP crackdown as some feared (yet), but a new round nonetheless. They've been releasing embarrassingly broken products that need FAQs to FAQs to FAQs that keep messing stuff up over and over again. Start Collecting sets (at least in 40k) are being phased out in favor of more expensive starter sets with lower % discounts.

In what way is this company friendlier now than it was under Kirby? Genuine question, maybe I'm forgetting some stuff. But it feels like GW in September 2021 is very like GW under Kirby. I guess maybe the one thing you could say is they fix their errors faster than they used to, sometimes - see the FAQ to the FAQ to the FAQ.

yukishiro1 wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:


By all means we should criticize bad decisions, but let's also not forget that this situation is still way, waaaaaaaay better than late-stage Kirby era. Simply boiling things down to 'GW hasn't changed' is to say 'late stage Kirby policies were not any worse than what we have now' and I seriously doubt that is a viewpoint anyone is actually trying to express.

Is this really true any more, though? I mean clearly GW went through a period where it was more customer-friendly. But can we still say this is the case now, in September 2021? They've discontinued digital rules. They've discontinued free warscrolls. They discontinued the working AOS app and haven't replaced it with anything, and the 40k version is a mess. They've started a new round of IP enforcement by cracking down on animations in order to bring them in house and charge people money for what used to be free - not as widespread an IP crackdown as some feared (yet), but a new round nonetheless. They've been releasing embarrassingly broken products that need FAQs to FAQs to FAQs that keep messing stuff up over and over again. Start Collecting sets (at least in 40k) are being phased out in favor of more expensive starter sets with lower % discounts.

In what way is this company friendlier now than it was under Kirby? Genuine question, maybe I'm forgetting some stuff. But it feels like GW in September 2021 is very like GW under Kirby. I guess maybe the one thing you could say is they fix their errors faster than they used to, sometimes - see the FAQ to the FAQ to the FAQ.

Some cool models though.

Dont forget discontinued nice starter boxes replaced with similar but limited ed boxes and cursed city BS.

Nice models though

People literally complained about the free warscrolls "not being really free" since you still had to get a book for allegiance abilities and "Open Play isn't really a thing".

Y'all played yourselves.

 Kanluwen wrote:
People literally complained about the free warscrolls "not being really free" since you still had to get a book for allegiance abilities and "Open Play isn't really a thing".

Y'all played yourselves.

Being able to look up an opponent’s Warscroll occasionally was nice, but I never really used the free ones for my own stuff for those reasons.

I found it handy for checking basic info on a model, esp for an army I didn't own. Sure for actual gaming purposes you still needed the book and GW already puts the warscrolls in the box; having them free online was just an easy to check resource.

It was nice ,but for me its not a deal-breaker. Heck I think the time I used them the most was when new things were coming out on the store and I'd swing by to see what they were like for my army before I'd end up with a new battletome/update FAQ/errata or such.

 Sotahullu wrote:
Well I am still bit sad we didn't get regular grots... Maybe "next" time.

Hope never dies, but Nagash surely wants her soul.

yukishiro1 wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:


By all means we should criticize bad decisions, but let's also not forget that this situation is still way, waaaaaaaay better than late-stage Kirby era. Simply boiling things down to 'GW hasn't changed' is to say 'late stage Kirby policies were not any worse than what we have now' and I seriously doubt that is a viewpoint anyone is actually trying to express.

Is this really true any more, though? I mean clearly GW went through a period where it was more customer-friendly. But can we still say this is the case now, in September 2021? They've discontinued digital rules. They've discontinued free warscrolls. They discontinued the working AOS app and haven't replaced it with anything, and the 40k version is a mess. They've started a new round of IP enforcement by cracking down on animations in order to bring them in house and charge people money for what used to be free - not as widespread an IP crackdown as some feared (yet), but a new round nonetheless. They've been releasing embarrassingly broken products that need FAQs to FAQs to FAQs that keep messing stuff up over and over again. Start Collecting sets (at least in 40k) are being phased out in favor of more expensive starter sets with lower % discounts.

In what way is this company friendlier now than it was under Kirby? Genuine question, maybe I'm forgetting some stuff. But it feels like GW in September 2021 is very like GW under Kirby. I guess maybe the one thing you could say is they fix their errors faster than they used to, sometimes - see the FAQ to the FAQ to the FAQ.

Under Kirby GW didn't communicate with the fanbase at all. they even openly said they didn't do market research, as if that was a point of pride. modern GW seems to be doing a much better job of keeping it's ear to the ground.

So there's that. A lot of their odd changes lately seem to be tied to warhammer plus. I have a hunch there's a lot of internal politics driving decisions here

That bit is true, they definitely pay more attention to social media and general fan sentiment than they used to. But that doesn't strike me as any inherently more or less friendly to the customer. They've spent the last year proving that you can be aware of and interact with your customers on social media while still making decision after decision that are not friendly to those customers.

Cynics said "new GW" was just a social media act - same old company, same old decisions, just wrapped in a more palatable package. GW in the last year seems to be going some way towards proving them right.

 Kanluwen wrote:
People literally complained about the free warscrolls "not being really free" since you still had to get a book for allegiance abilities and "Open Play isn't really a thing".

Y'all played yourselves.

Clearly this happened because GW listened to players' complaints. Which makes it the only recorded instance of that happening in the entirety of recorded history too.

I have a working theory that Kanluwen may be someone's parody account. If so, it's a brilliant performance.

Seems like based on the recent reviews that Bonesplitterz got really hosed compared to Ironjawz and Kruleboyz, which kinda sucks given that they were already bordering on not being all that great outside of arrer boy spam to begin with.

Bonesplittaz do, indeed, seem to have the smell o' deff around 'em.

Only three plastic kits, one of which is a hero, really looks like they are more here as fanservice.

They clearly wanted to give the ranged role to the new Kruleboyz, and they tought that somehow Tattooz are too OP so they got rid of the monster hunter tools that used to set them apart. I'd argue that they have so little that it is actually okay to give them Warpaint and Tattooz like that.

Wouldn't be surprised to see them axed and send back into TOW.

On the other hand, that might be the chance to give IJ siege rams and catapults.

 Kanluwen wrote:
People literally complained about the free warscrolls "not being really free" since you still had to get a book for allegiance abilities and "Open Play isn't really a thing".

Y'all played yourselves.

You realize coalition and allies are a thing right? Which have zero use for allegiance abilities(hint: they don't get those).

Free warscrolls were free and usable

tneva82 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
People literally complained about the free warscrolls "not being really free" since you still had to get a book for allegiance abilities and "Open Play isn't really a thing".

Y'all played yourselves.

You realize coalition and allies are a thing right? Which have zero use for allegiance abilities(hint: they don't get those).

Free warscrolls were free and usable

I imagine warscrolls will be included in the box with the instructions much like is the case with 40k now. does mean a liiiiiiilte bit of a pain but at least you won't have to buy an entire book to get the warscroll for a single troop of cavalry. but yeah losing free warscrolls sucks as it means you can't research as easily. it's bad for GW too as it means you're not going to go to their website to look at the info. but will go to other places. which means you might be less inclined to say... impulse order said cavalry off their website

Uuuh have you seen the warscrolls in new boxes?

Stats in annoying symbols and NO SPECIAL RULES.

Have fun playing your ally/coalition unit without warscroll specific special rules.

And no way GW will repack things yet again. They just repacked things for 3rd ed. Next repack will be in 4th in about 2024

The situation is not like it was at the end of the "Kirby Age", but it is similar like it was during the beginning.

The communication with the community is changing as well, with backwards editing of posts to "we have never said that" and "it was always planned that way" in a similar manner as it was back than.

Free stuff is removed again, with the idea that you don't buy models because of the rules

We have seen how this ended, question is just how long it will take this time to reach the breaking point

GW is a corporation, they rebuilt good will, now it's time to capitalize on all it.

Unlike last time, there are now competitors offering sci-fi and fantasy hard plastic kits, not to mention 3d printing. So good luck to GW if they want to go all evil empire and alienate everyone again

Whatever GW's corperate policy and oiur views on it we should proably try to avoid derailing this thread with it,

As a new player who just bought into AoS with the Domion box set, a few etb extras for sce and the generals handbook for points - does this mean the generals handbook is now out of date? There'll be new units in the orruk/sce battletomes with no entry in the general's handbook. I kinda feel that ghb thing was a waste of money - not to mention flicking through the rules with a spiral bound sucks.