AOS N&R (Adepticon p211, Range Purge p221)

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**broxus**

Crazy how few leaks there are for this book. Any other details??

**nels1031**

broxus wrote:
Crazy how few leaks there are for this book. Any other details??

NDA gets lifted tonight, so expect some reviews. I think Facehammer will have one up on their youtube channel at 12 midnight eastern.

Edit: User on Twitter is putting Blightkings at 250 points. Big oof?

**Geifer**

Geifer wrote:
NinthMusketeer wrote:
40k is the frontrunner that they can get away with the highest pricing, as they move away from that prices get progressively less aggressive, even hitting downright reasonable on some of the specialist games. That's why I'm thinking it'll be less for the AoS one.

I definitely hope you're right, but I don't think your reasoning works out. AoS started out with higher cost for Sigmarine troops (per model) before they were reboxed and established the current default of 45€ for ten models that has since also been adopted for 40k. I'm also not seeing a difference between AoS and 40k centerpiece models, such as Katakros and the Triumph of Saint Katherine.

Even before AoS found its footing the game has had high prices that matched 40k. GW has basically acknowledged with 3rd ed and the removal of free rules that AoS is established as a main game, and I don't think it's going to get anything cheaper than 40k. Outliers exist, of course, but by and large, I'd look at a comparable 40k kit to see where the price is headed.

With a big'un, a banner bearer and three elite troops each, they look pretty close to the Necron group from Indomitus to me, so I'd expect to see an 85€ price tag unless GW felt like raising prices again for the lulz.

Be fun to find out no matter the outcome. I bought Dominion, so I'm good either way. But I suspect I'll find I made the right choice once the price is revealed.

Called it. Not an amazing feat, I know, but still.

Now that we're getting the Nurgle release, that wraps up all the previews for AoS we had, doesn't it? Or is anything still in the pipeline that I don't remember?

With the Advent engine showing off 40k stuff, I hope we'll get a New Year's preview for AoS.

**Overread**

Yeah we are starting to come to the end of the last 3 months preview which sets us up nicely for a new preview around Christmas/Newyears to take us into 2022. In addition it looks like the start is going to have at the very least a big Eldar release in the first 3 months.

I think the big reliable leak that happened a while back has some things hinted at for 2022, but I get the feeling that they were generic "this is coming" rather than dated or ordered and thus could be subject to change.

AOS is ripe with armies that need updates - from Skaven and Lizardmen who need modernising; through to Flesheaters, Ossiarchs and Fyreslayers who need bulking out. Heck just look how popular Lumineth are with their second wave reinforcing them model wise, even after all the cow and hammer jokes

**FierceMuppet2**

With the new Maggotkin Tome coming out, for those that print models, you might check out the Valiant and the Vile Kickstarter. It is a cool modular kit for Nurgle units or...goody-two-shoes knights.

**NinthMusketeer**

Geifer wrote:
Geifer wrote:
NinthMusketeer wrote:
40k is the frontrunner that they can get away with the highest pricing, as they move away from that prices get progressively less aggressive, even hitting downright reasonable on some of the specialist games. That's why I'm thinking it'll be less for the AoS one.

I definitely hope you're right, but I don't think your reasoning works out. AoS started out with higher cost for Sigmarine troops (per model) before they were reboxed and established the current default of 45€ for ten models that has since also been adopted for 40k. I'm also not seeing a difference between AoS and 40k centerpiece models, such as Katakros and the Triumph of Saint Katherine.

Even before AoS found its footing the game has had high prices that matched 40k. GW has basically acknowledged with 3rd ed and the removal of free rules that AoS is established as a main game, and I don't think it's going to get anything cheaper than 40k. Outliers exist, of course, but by and large, I'd look at a comparable 40k kit to see where the price is headed.

With a big'un, a banner bearer and three elite troops each, they look pretty close to the Necron group from Indomitus to me, so I'd expect to see an 85€ price tag unless GW felt like raising prices again for the lulz.

Be fun to find out no matter the outcome. I bought Dominion, so I'm good either way. But I suspect I'll find I made the right choice once the price is revealed.

Called it. Not an amazing feat, I know, but still.

Now that we're getting the Nurgle release, that wraps up all the previews for AoS we had, doesn't it? Or is anything still in the pipeline that I don't remember?

With the Advent engine showing off 40k stuff, I hope we'll get a New Year's preview for AoS.

I see my defeat, and bow to your superior predictive power.

I'm sure there will be something for AoS, but if the preview is dominated by Craftworlds that's fine. They deserve it.

**Overread**

Honestly I hope its dominated by Eldar and then perhaps a few small releases for AoS, a small "next Battletome" and then a hint of something "big" coming which will be whatever the next major AoS thing is.

If there is anything I'd say there should be more Cruel Boyz models of some kind to help flesh them out more, otherwise onto the next Tome

**broxus**

Omg this battletome is terrible. Overall, a massive nerf to nurgle (especially demons). If they had kept the point costs the same I would still say it was bad, but now I’d argue it is unplayable. Not sure what GW was thinking on this design.

**angryboy2k**

Those prices on the dominion sprues are mental. I bought an entire box of dominion for less than one of them.

**NinthMusketeer**

broxus wrote:
Omg this battletome is terrible. Overall, a massive nerf to nurgle (especially demons). If they had kept the point costs the same I would still say it was bad, but now I’d argue it is unplayable. Not sure what GW was thinking on this design.

I'll wait until I have it in-hand. Long history of pre-reviewers glazing over or misinterpreting a detail that turns out to be very important.

**kodos**

angryboy2k wrote:
Those prices on the dominion sprues are mental. I bought an entire box of dominion for less than one of them.

wasn't expecting much but still disappointed, the Stormcast "Command" frames are 85€, with the 1st Edition SCE part of the box still on the website being 65€

**tneva82**

About what was expected. Dominus is copying indomitus release. As is that's on cheaper spectrum of expectations.

**kodos**

at least bundles that are worth buying more than once

**NAVARRO**

Wow, yeah as expected ridiculous prices for the command sprue...

**tneva82**

https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/5927

Pretty sweet soulblight update coming up. One of the better wd updates.

Funny how article dismiss rest which has battle tactics which has 2 archievable, 1 which is very good and even better than couple ghb one. And as aos3 is about battle tactic having archievable battle tactics is big. Tournament games i had 2 i got big advantage as i could score 1 from my book. And that one wasn"t as good as this one...

Legion of blood got nice bonus as well. Grand strategy whatever. Hard to beat default ones.

**NinthMusketeer**

It is amusing how often people not qualified to be making calls on what's good or not do so anyways, and in great abundance, as if it is a requirement for preview articles. I read the Goonhammer review on the Nurgle battletome and it was painful how far off the mark it was on so many facets.

Also pleasantly surprised they added the nuance of bonuses being worse for the dragon mounted lord. Exactly the sort of design details AoS needs, good work.

**lare2**

NinthMusketeer wrote:
It is amusing how often people not qualified to be making calls on what's good or not do so anyways, and in great abundance, as if it is a requirement for preview articles. I read the Goonhammer review on the Nurgle battletome and it was painful how far off the mark it was on so many facets.

Also pleasantly surprised they added the nuance of bonuses being worse for the dragon mounted lord. Exactly the sort of design details AoS needs, good work.

I didn't see that one so can't comment. However, my opinion of these early access influencers is to take them with a pinch of salt. They get the early access because GW likes them... they logically don't want to upset GW and, therefore, their opinion is tarnished.

**Overread**

There is that, but also many of them are more hyped up than your average jaded dakka user - or they come from a casual hobby background and are more in the hobby than the game side of things.

Also in general they only get the books a short while before the videos have to go out; so chances are they are working on a glance through read rather than several good solid weeks of playtesting and reading and spotting the good and the bad.

The videos are purely aimed at being early impressions and quick glances at the content and an overview; rather than in-depth tactical analysis and experienced test results.

**Sarouan**

Goonhammer's review looks fine, to me. TBH, they tend to have experience with game mechanisms since they play / write a lot more than the average player on many levels - mostly competitive. Even with not much time to read / take into account all the in-game parameters, they're still making good points (fact that new maggotkins are much slower than before is indeed not just a "small nerf" in AoS).

I'd rather trust them more than a random dakkadakka user who thinks too highly of themselves.

**Chikout**

If you want fair reviews Warhammer weekly is one of the best. To prepare for this review they each played two games against Nurgle with different armies. They both came away fairly impressed.
I think a lot of people criticise a book that's actually aimed at the middle. They fact they can't handle mega gargants is a problem with the sons book not the Nurgle book.
https://youtu.be/ntfaGo9cvZ0

**lare2**

Chikout wrote:
If you want fair reviews Warhammer weekly is one of the best. To prepare for this review they each played two games against Nurgle with different armies. They both came away fairly impressed.
I think a lot of people criticise a book that's actually aimed at the middle. They fact they can't handle mega gargants is a problem with the sons book not the Nurgle book.
https://youtu.be/ntfaGo9cvZ0

I'll second this actually. I like Vincey V.

**Eldarain**

I like where the book sits now but as 3.0 has been handing out rend and damage like candy I expect them to tumble as their resilience falls behind the curve.

The really disappointing thing is they clearly made a significant change to Diseased very late and didn't go through the book to adjust the mechanics which interact with it.

Unacceptable for a premium product.

**Ghaz**

From Warhammer Community:

You may remember back when we looked at the dragons arriving in the Mortal Realms that we mentioned a balance update for Warhammer Age of Sigmar was on the way. We have more news on that front coming soon, so stay tuned to Warhammer-Community.com this week for more.

**DaveC**

FAQ is out ( some of it anyway)

https://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs/#warhammer-age-of-sigmar

**tneva82**

Amulet of destrny and unleash hell nerfed, kragnos got big buffs. 3d6 destruction charges oh yea!

Std units(including archaon) don't benefit from god specific allegiance abilities like destiny dice and bloodtithe.

**DaveC**

The article

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/12/21/introducing-battlescroll-the-first-regular-rules-update-for-warhammer-age-of-sigmar/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Article&utm_campaign=AoS+update,+Dec+21

Summary and points update

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/XTPR7PzBSVcNAAOd.pdf

Horrors +35pts
Black Knights -20pts
Archaon +30pts
Gotrek +50pts
Nagash -15pts
Slaangors -20pts
Blood Stalkers +10pts
Sentinels +20pts
Salamanders +20pts
Gore- Gruntas +20pts
Chaos Warshrine +30pts

**NinthMusketeer**

lare2 wrote:
NinthMusketeer wrote:
It is amusing how often people not qualified to be making calls on what's good or not do so anyways, and in great abundance, as if it is a requirement for preview articles. I read the Goonhammer review on the Nurgle battletome and it was painful how far off the mark it was on so many facets.

Also pleasantly surprised they added the nuance of bonuses being worse for the dragon mounted lord. Exactly the sort of design details AoS needs, good work.

I didn't see that one so can't comment. However, my opinion of these early access influencers is to take them with a pinch of salt. They get the early access because GW likes them... they logically don't want to upset GW and, therefore, their opinion is tarnished.

I'm not talking about optimism, if anything the opposite. A casual disregard for certain options being bad or not that useful when they are missing the synergy involved or simply not running the numbers to see how good it really is.

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tneva82 wrote:
Amulet of destrny and unleash hell nerfed, kragnos got big buffs. 3d6 destruction charges oh yea!

Std units(including archaon) don't benefit from god specific allegiance abilities like destiny dice and bloodtithe.

I am loving it, a lot of great changes. Unleash hell is in a great spot now of being a useful tool but not absurdly so. Kragnos deserved his buffs too! The one change that I really disagree with is coalition StD units not getting allegiance, and it is more disappointment in the change of design direction. Being able to rope in marked units as part of the army was a great feature both thematically and mechanically, and makes a lot of sense as an evolution of a time where a mono-god army really was just marked StD units (or all daemons).

But that definitely doesn't overshadow how happy I am to see amulet brought into line, heroic recovery getting reigned in, and other changes. A very positive development for AoS.

**Geifer**

From the reveal article for the next 40k battle box:

If you’re a fan of Warhammer Age of Sigmar, we will have a major reveal coming on Monday, pitting two allies of Order against one another in a battle of the elements.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/12/25/new-asuryani-clash-with-chaos-space-marines-in-the-next-warhammer-40000-battlebox/?utm_source=CUSTOMERS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GW_25th_December_Old_Enemies_GER_&utm_content=&utm_term=

**zamerion**

There were rumors about idoneth vs fireslayers?

**Geifer**

That would fit the description. Not too interested in the factions myself, but it would be nice to see the Fyrslyr lineup expanded. They really haven't been treated well with how they only got a handful of kits while trying to be sold as an independent faction.