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Boring.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
No new artwork for covers? Lame.

Idoneth and DoK are, the other two aren’t weirdly. I really like the new Idoneth one.

Oh the Idoneth one is new! At a glance i just thought it was the same as the old one, because the cover of the old one looks quite similar at a glance.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
DoK on 2 books in 2 years. And wasn't too far back for their first book either.

Eek.

Don't forget BR Morathi was pitched as a big rules update for them before their second tome was announced.

Daughters were in the precarious position of being the last book of an edition so technically the first book of the new.

For this one though? Who knows? Maybe they're getting some sort of range boost that hasn't been hinted at?

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Daughters were in the precarious position of being the last book of an edition so technically the first book of the new.

For this one though? Who knows? Maybe they're getting some sort of range boost that hasn't been hinted at?

Soulblight came out even later. And lumineth.

DoK have had a messy time of Rules - also the red binding on those books makes me wonder if Slaanesh is in the same boat - ergo both armies got 2.5 books which were then added too only a month or so later with the campaign books (which did feature a new model or two) and now another fresh book.

I kind of hope that DoK at least get a few more models than the new leader just to make the book more than a stats update.

What is the oldest GA Chaos book now ? (Not that it means they are up next but I am curious)

Money, GW want money!

I’ve been collecting kits to start my first AoS army, the Idoneth. After seeing the Lumineth releases the other year, I had really hoped they would flesh out the sea elves a little bit more. Hell, I would have just taken swarm units of fish!

That we only got the Thrallmaster and not even any spells is quite disappointing.

Maybe we'll get lucky and have rules added for the various sea creatures we get in the kits.


Shame that we never will figure out what this eel was for.

 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:
What is the oldest GA Chaos book now ? (Not that it means they are up next but I am curious)

Bok, khorne and skaven. They, tzeentch and slaanesh only one without bt/wd update. For order　candinates sylvaneth, lumineth and ko i think.

Boc is oldest i think. If thev come could be expensive summer for me. Khorne and lumineth would be 2 books for me.

 BlackoCatto wrote:
Money, GW want money!

Yes, companies want money. Thanks for stating the bleeding obvious.

 Overread wrote:

I'll be interested to see what GW does with DoK - I kind of feel like we could see the DE stuff rolled into them, but I'm not sure. The cover certainly suggests they are staying pure

Ya, I was hoping that the events of Broken Realms : Morathi was leading to more legacy DE consolidation. If anything to add a bit more substance to the DoK. Its not likely though.

 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:
What is the oldest GA Chaos book now ? (Not that it means they are up next but I am curious)

Beasts of Chaos from 2018, but they also had a WD 'update' so I wouldn't bank on them.

I'd guess Khorne but who knows with GW.

I genuinely hope not. How they are right now is interesting and has a lot of room for development. They don't need to go back to the lol evil dark elf route.

At least the duardin combining rumor was false, unless Dispossessed find themselves into the Fyreslayer book, which at this point would just be a welcome change considering how anemic FS are.

I am not surprised that DoK is out so soon. They were the last of the AoS 1.0 books and the one they got in 2.0 was more like 1.5 than an actual release in my opinion. To be fair I think this book will be a quick release of one model and no more. Nighthaunt will get 2 new models and probably done.

Basically I fear the revealed books are all going to be minor releases with one new hero and then done. Maybe some old WHFB units will be combined into the book, but nothing more. So I wouldn't be expecting any big model releases for fantasy until at least summer.

Regarding the rumored Chaos Book my bet is on Hedonites or Blades. Hedonites because their current book is the epitome of bad rule writing, and Blades of Khorne because Blades of Khorne goes against the core foundation of 3.0, which is no hero buffing. The Order book could be the rumored new CoS book that was hinted at at the release of Dominion.


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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I genuinely hope not. How they are right now is interesting and has a lot of room for development. They don't need to go back to the lol evil dark elf route.

They might actually be combined a la Orruk clans at best. The Morathi book does indicate that she ends up taking over a large Dark Elf controlled city and imprisoning the Stormcast.

I am grateful for Fyreslayers not being merged with Kharadron.

 nels1031 wrote:

 Overread wrote:

I'll be interested to see what GW does with DoK - I kind of feel like we could see the DE stuff rolled into them, but I'm not sure. The cover certainly suggests they are staying pure

Ya, I was hoping that the events of Broken Realms : Morathi was leading to more legacy DE consolidation. If anything to add a bit more substance to the DoK. Its not likely though.

I'm really torn on this one

On the one hand Dark Elves are pretty much entirely there as an army. All they lost were a few leader models and their bolt thrower. All their core infantry and models are in the game right now and on sale. So reuniting them would make old DE players very happy and give a very big and diverse army right there and then in an instant.


At the same time I got into DoK for their visual design and their theme as a force and the story behind them. A blood worshipping cult. I think rolling DE back into them would dilute that aspect of them heavily. It could even bloat the range as DoK have been steadily adding models to fill different roles and if you roll DE back together they don't need to add many more roles as its already all there. Instead of perhaps a cheap DoK archer unit, you've got repeater bolt throwers; instead of a common cavalry you've got Dark Riders etc.....


I see it as a battle; one way older players are happy the other newer ones are happy. The other thing is that all of Cities of Sigmar is kind of a big questionmark over what does survive as they update them. It's very much a rescue/dregs battletome right now and its hard to tell what GW will keep and what they will cut away; esp as they are still yet to add Malarion's Aelf force which were the shadowy dark elves of the setting.
It's a tricky one and either way there are winners and loses. Personally I'd "prefer" DoK to remain their own thing

chaos0xomega wrote:
I am grateful for Fyreslayers not being merged with Kharadron.

Equal parts grateful to not be rolled into KO, and the other part disappointed that the Flamekeeper is looking to be the sole model release for the army. Room for growth, but not for awhile.

But I think I've said it before that's its probably going to be a pretty muted year for AoS of "1 Character with a Battletome". The Nighthaunt crossbowmen do kind of put that theory to bed, though.

 nels1031 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
I am grateful for Fyreslayers not being merged with Kharadron.

Equal parts grateful to not be rolled into KO, and the other part disappointed that the Flamekeeper is looking to be the sole model release for the army. Room for growth, but not for awhile.

But I think I've said it before that's its probably going to be a pretty muted year for AoS of "1 Character with a Battletome". The Nighthaunt crossbowmen do kind of put that theory to bed, though.

AoS has so many factions that either need a second wave or a big model update (eg skaven and seraphon). Every edition is going to have losers as they settle things down. Heck lets not forget the last two editions had Slaanesh with so few releases (and for so long before that) that people were honestly believing that GW was going to remove Slaanesh. I think the only salt would be if GW started hyper focusing on Stormcast again or doubling down on already diverse armies too much.

 Overread wrote:

At the same time I got into DoK for their visual design and their theme as a force and the story behind them. A blood worshipping cult. I think rolling DE back into them would dilute that aspect of them heavily. It could even bloat the range as DoK have been steadily adding models to fill different roles

I wouldn't go so far as to throw all the DE stuff back into DoK. The Sorceress on foot and on Dragon very much have the DoK look to them. The Executioners could be the male thralls that are bred to just be guards of the temples while the daughters go and get stuff done. I'd leave it there.

The rest of the DE stuff I'd leave to whatever they are doing with Cities of Sigmar's future or however they deal with Malerion's faction.

 Eldarsif wrote:
At least the duardin combining rumor was false, unless Dispossessed find themselves into the Fyreslayer book, which at this point would just be a welcome change considering how anemic FS are.

I am not surprised that DoK is out so soon. They were the last of the AoS 1.0 books and the one they got in 2.0 was more like 1.5 than an actual release in my opinion. To be fair I think this book will be a quick release of one model and no more. Nighthaunt will get 2 new models and probably done.

Basically I fear the revealed books are all going to be minor releases with one new hero and then done. Maybe some old WHFB units will be combined into the book, but nothing more. So I wouldn't be expecting any big model releases for fantasy until at least summer.

Regarding the rumored Chaos Book my bet is on Hedonites or Blades. Hedonites because their current book is the epitome of bad rule writing, and Blades of Khorne because Blades of Khorne goes against the core foundation of 3.0, which is no hero buffing. The Order book could be the rumored new CoS book that was hinted at at the release of Dominion.


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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I genuinely hope not. How they are right now is interesting and has a lot of room for development. They don't need to go back to the lol evil dark elf route.

They might actually be combined a la Orruk clans at best. The Morathi book does indicate that she ends up taking over a large Dark Elf controlled city and imprisoning the Stormcast.

She mind controls them using the sorceresses. The ones that escape it actually end up fighting against her with the various city factions

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:
At least the duardin combining rumor was false, unless Dispossessed find themselves into the Fyreslayer book, which at this point would just be a welcome change considering how anemic FS are.

I am not surprised that DoK is out so soon. They were the last of the AoS 1.0 books and the one they got in 2.0 was more like 1.5 than an actual release in my opinion. To be fair I think this book will be a quick release of one model and no more. Nighthaunt will get 2 new models and probably done.

Basically I fear the revealed books are all going to be minor releases with one new hero and then done. Maybe some old WHFB units will be combined into the book, but nothing more. So I wouldn't be expecting any big model releases for fantasy until at least summer.

Regarding the rumored Chaos Book my bet is on Hedonites or Blades. Hedonites because their current book is the epitome of bad rule writing, and Blades of Khorne because Blades of Khorne goes against the core foundation of 3.0, which is no hero buffing. The Order book could be the rumored new CoS book that was hinted at at the release of Dominion.


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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I genuinely hope not. How they are right now is interesting and has a lot of room for development. They don't need to go back to the lol evil dark elf route.

They might actually be combined a la Orruk clans at best. The Morathi book does indicate that she ends up taking over a large Dark Elf controlled city and imprisoning the Stormcast.

She mind controls them using the sorceresses. The ones that escape it actually end up fighting against her with the various city factions

Which is what I kind of inferred at with her taking over the city.

I don't mind them keeping the two pieces of cover art that they did; it is good art, it doesn't need to be fixed in my eyes. If there is new art I'd want it to be a notable improvement rather than different for the sake of it, like what they did with IDK or... hot dam that new DoK art is so fething badass!

 Overread wrote:

 nels1031 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
I am grateful for Fyreslayers not being merged with Kharadron.

Equal parts grateful to not be rolled into KO, and the other part disappointed that the Flamekeeper is looking to be the sole model release for the army. Room for growth, but not for awhile.

But I think I've said it before that's its probably going to be a pretty muted year for AoS of "1 Character with a Battletome". The Nighthaunt crossbowmen do kind of put that theory to bed, though.

AoS has so many factions that either need a second wave or a big model update (eg skaven and seraphon). Every edition is going to have losers as they settle things down. Heck lets not forget the last two editions had Slaanesh with so few releases (and for so long before that) that people were honestly believing that GW was going to remove Slaanesh. I think the only salt would be if GW started hyper focusing on Stormcast again or doubling down on already diverse armies too much.

And that's an inherent problem with the game. GW, in pursuit of the new, failed to build new coherent factions with a strong identity and chose to splinter old coherent factions into multiple armies. As it stands, a new AOS range will get maybe 1-2 big drops and be abandoned forevermore. Fyreslayers are one of the best examples of this; they were poorly thought-out to begin with. I won't say it's impossible to make an army out of the Slayers, but the way they went about it was gakky.

As it stands, a new AOS range will get maybe 1-2 big drops and be abandoned forevermore

To be fair it depends on the size of the faction range if they need regular additions or not. Lumineth got a big release and Hedonites have been quite fleshed out so I wouldn't mind if they got a pause for the time being as not all factions need to have as many units as Space Marines. Having large roster just creates redundancy if you don't sunset the occasional SKU, something GW wont' be doing.

What GW needs to do is either flesh out the smaller factions now(FS, FEC, others) or just combine them into a larger faction. Hell, I wouldn't mind if my FEC had been included into SGL. At least then I might have extended options instead of buying 4 SC boxes and be done. I would have even been happy if ID and DoK had become one(both armies I play). Just something to change this stale ass release schedule they have going for themselves right now.

The truth is GW just over extended themselves in AoS 0.0 and we get to suffer for it.

The truth is that GW didn't overextend themselves in AoS 0.0--it's that the community didn't react well to what they tried to do.

Also, stay away from my Idoneth with your Daughters of Khaine nonsense. I already had Skitarii get rolled into Cult. I'm not dealing with that trash again.

 BlackoCatto wrote:
Money, GW want money!

They are a business, so that tracks.

Given how long the development cycle is, I would expect third edition to be where we start seeing some of the more popular factions with older lines get heavy additions. I am expecting a lot for FEC, and I suspect GSG is taking a while because they are also getting a good chunk of releases. Expecting Seraphon to be full plastic after a new tome.

Fyreslayers though, I wonder to what extent GW understands their lack of popularity is not because the concept is bad but because of the execution.

Idoneth don't have a lot of models but the ones they do have are very nice kits and fill out the army well when all of them are viable. There is room for diversity in the roster they have, it comes down to internal balance.

Skaven releases have always been as erratic as they are so you never know what'll happen there.


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Stepping back for a moment, I am really happy to see the roadmap. I hope they keep doing them in the future.

The summer slots make me think of that rumour concerning a skaven vs sylvaneth box.