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Yeah, as far as I can tell the biggest change for the Skaven between the old world and the Realms was the horned rat being acknowledged explicitly as a fifth god of chaos rather than as a lesser aspect of one or more of the big four. But there were signs of that happening in the old world anyway, not least with the Skaven supplement to chaos in the old world (fantastic board game btw, sadly long OoP).

The New Idoneth Battletome Brings Extra-beefy Leviadons to the Battleline

Leviadons as Battleline. What are your thoughts about this?

It's to be expected? They're basically the only Monster unit in the book still, since Allopex had the Monster keyword removed awhile back.

Would have been nice to actually get something worthwhile as information.

Would have liked to see Allopexes get a battleline option (still possible I suppose), as I recently ended up with 6 of them.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Would have liked to see Allopexes get a battleline option (still possible I suppose), as I recently ended up with 6 of them.

Since Eels are still tied with the Akhelian King for Battleline and Reavers/Thrall are default Battleline...I think you can expect Fuethan to be Allopexes as Battleline.

Unless we're getting new units, of course.

Eh, I liked it when some armies could do monster battleline. It felt like a fun, thematic thing that was relatively unique and part of the identity of the armies involved. But when it gets handed out left and right the concept gradually starts to feel more and more like a dumb gimmick.

jullevi wrote:
The New Idoneth Battletome Brings Extra-beefy Leviadons to the Battleline

Leviadons as Battleline. What are your thoughts about this?

Huge point hike coming then when you can only field 3. Previous points 5 was max.

Sorry for the sort of off topic, but just noticed that Miniaturemarket.com got in more of the Christmas bundles for AOS and 40K (Hedonites, Lumineth, Bonereapers, ORK 40K, and Sisters 40K). I was looking for a restock of regular items when I saw that pop up in their restocks for today. Just in case people were still looking for some of those.

Allopex updates

Meanwhile, a new ability – called A Merciless Shiver – allows Allopex units with more than one model to remain coherent within 3” of each other, instead of 1”. Sharks value their personal space, and this ability will ensure that these vast and agile predators can stay mobile when facing down foes.

While Allopexes can be commanded by any of the Idoneth factions, these vicious selachian sea-predators are particularly beloved by the Fuethán enclave, who are just as bloodthirsty as their deadly mounts. To reflect this, players who choose the Fuethán enclave will now be able to take Akhelian Allopexes as Battleline units.

Fuethán Allopexes are particularly known for their aggressive skill when hunting in groups – as such, you can also can take three units of single Allopexes in a special formation known as a Bloodthirsty Shiver. These Allopexes are individual units, but you’ll want them swimming together to unleash their full potential.

As expected, sharks are the "Battleline if..." for Fuethán.

That gives me great pleasure. Hopefully you can field multiple Bloodthirsty Shivers(wording of the article implies yes) in an army, because with 6 Allopexes I would be able to field 2 and that ability sounds fantastic.

Formations within formations? :'D

Meanwhile, a new ability – called A Merciless Shiver – allows Allopex units with more than one model to remain coherent within 3” of each other, instead of 1”.

It's an ability, altering their unit cohesion.

Fuethán gets an additional thing, just with specifically 3 Allopex.

Similar to nurgle that has subfaction specific unit of 3 individual units together

 Kanluwen wrote:

Meanwhile, a new ability – called A Merciless Shiver – allows Allopex units with more than one model to remain coherent within 3” of each other, instead of 1”.

It's an ability, altering their unit cohesion.

Is that to account for physical limitations of the models or to give them an in game benefit?

Mostly physical probably but does allow cover more space creating larger no-go areas, tie up multiple units if needed etc

Thanks for the info.

 Geifer wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Meanwhile, a new ability – called A Merciless Shiver – allows Allopex units with more than one model to remain coherent within 3” of each other, instead of 1”.

It's an ability, altering their unit cohesion.

Is that to account for physical limitations of the models or to give them an in game benefit?

Mostly an in-game benefit as it allows them to spread out over a wider area to avoid being overly impacted by certain offensive abilities as well as allowing them to cover a wider area and threaten multiple units, etc. If they had to follow normal coherency rules I don't think anyone would ever field them in units of 2+ models. Frankly though, I'm not sure that there is any real beneft to fielding them in units even with the coherency change as fielding them singularly still provides way more flexibility with no obvious downside I can think of other than maybe some sort of buff efficiency in terms of being able to use a single spell or command ability to buff multiple allopexes simultaneously. Even still though, the only Allopex buff we know about specifically thus far - the Bloodthirsty shiver - is pretty explicit in requiring you to field three units of 1 Allopex each in order to take advantage of it, which would mean that those Allopexes are not taking advantage of the Merciless Shiver rule as they aren't in a unit of more than 1 model.

+1 to hit and no need for hero to hang around for orders.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/02/24/roast-and-devour-your-foes-with-a-whole-army-of-supercharged-magmadroths/

All leader all monster(depending on points) army possible

tneva82 wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/02/24/roast-and-devour-your-foes-with-a-whole-army-of-supercharged-magmadroths/

All leader all monster(depending on points) army possible

Regarding the new magmadroth ability: At a glance, that doesn't look like an improvement. I'd have to do some comparison.

The survivability of the Droths were the biggest issue when I played Fyreslayers, hoping that gets looked at.

Knew it was coming, but still....

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Eh, I liked it when some armies could do monster battleline. It felt like a fun, thematic thing that was relatively unique and part of the identity of the armies involved. But when it gets handed out left and right the concept gradually starts to feel more and more like a dumb gimmick.

 nels1031 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/02/24/roast-and-devour-your-foes-with-a-whole-army-of-supercharged-magmadroths/

All leader all monster(depending on points) army possible

Regarding the new magmadroth ability: At a glance, that doesn't look like an improvement. I'd have to do some comparison.

The survivability of the Droths were the biggest issue when I played Fyreslayers, hoping that gets looked at.

Hits better vs solo models but not much of damage. Bad against units.

Seems at least 1 if not more wounds coming to magmadroths by the very least. With ward on runes not expecting default ward though.

Tomes and hero's next week as well as cursed city:

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/1950/799474.page

At last! Maybe it helps poor dwarves a bit. First 3 books were promising. Hopefully trend continues.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/02/27/sunday-preview-nautical-aelves-and-fiery-duardin-sweep-the-mortal-realms/

Books. And the 'opportunity' to buy the big lizard thing (again?) outside the start collecting box for the same price as the start collecting box. Zounds! Such unskippable negative value.

Assumes price is same again.

tneva82 wrote:
Assumes price is same again.

They're both currently on the US store at the same price, so no. No assumption.

Currently if you buy one, they send you the start collecting box. It's been listed like that since that box became available, before the magmadroth kit on it's own was $110.

Voss wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Assumes price is same again.

They're both currently on the US store at the same price, so no. No assumption.

You're assuming they won't RAISE the price!

The Magmadroth on its own was £65 when it came out, before they discounted it by proxy by including it in the start collecting and not making it available separately. Interested to see the price now.