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tneva82 wrote:
Monks are decent enough kit that who prioritles them over say...plastic skyre acolytes? Gutter runnners? Jezzails? Completely new unit?

Agreed. I also fear the inevitable price increase on a new kit.

At least the clanrat kit is among those few miniature products that is simply perfect. Any more and it would drive up cost without need, any less and the kit wouldn't have enough customization.

Previews begin, so a couple of weeks before up for order we thinking?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/04/27/the-daughters-of-khaine-now-indulge-in-more-powerful-blood-rites-with-fewer-re-rolls/

Also i'm not usually a sucker for book covers, but i'm being a sucker for this one. Damn that's pretty:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/04/27/who-is-worthy-of-the-godsbane-find-out-in-dale-lucas-new-black-library-novel/

The skaven range needs to replace finecast before replacing plastics.

I'm not terribly sure I find buffs for turns 3/4 a terribly compelling argument when so much of competitive AoS is determined before that point, but hopefully the book is good beyond these rules.

I suspect Melusai shooting and Morathi to be nerfed into the ground.

New FAQs up for IDK, FS, Seraphon and a ‘wounds suffered’ chart correction for Archaon.

 nels1031 wrote:
New FAQs up for IDK, FS, Seraphon and a ‘wounds suffered’ chart correction for Archaon.

It's super pathetic that the IDK had to have "Deepmare" added to literally the only two models in the range with them.

Didn't DoK just get a book last year?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 nels1031 wrote:
New FAQs up for IDK, FS, Seraphon and a ‘wounds suffered’ chart correction for Archaon.

It's super pathetic that the IDK had to have "Deepmare" added to literally the only two models in the range with them.

Can you elaborate? I don't know the army ow what this means.


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 GrosseSax wrote:
Didn't DoK just get a book last year?

Yes.

Yes DoK only just got a book. What's more surprising to me is that so far this doesn't look like they are actually adding much if anything to the DoK army with this book. It's really rare to see GW push out a book that fast without a big model update.

Slaanesh had that treatment, a new book then another one fairly fast ,but it came with a big chunky release of new models.



So far DoK have one new hero and a Warband for Underworld coming and nothing else. I know they are popular, but it does seem really fast to get another book so soon after the last.

I can only wonder if GW are holding back a big model update or if they are going to blend in more of the old Dark Elf army models formally into the DoK tome. Creating a "pure priestess" army and an "allied" army option.


That would at least be a formal chunky addition even if its kind of diluting the DoK theme, but would likely make Dark Elf fans really happy (esp since their army is basically all present in AoS )

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I'm not terribly sure I find buffs for turns 3/4 a terribly compelling argument when so much of competitive AoS is determined before that point, but hopefully the book is good beyond these rules.

I suspect Melusai shooting and Morathi to be nerfed into the ground.

It is a really powerful buff, so it needs to be compensated somehow. Additionally DoK have ways to count the battle round as higher, so those buffs could be gained round 2/3. While round 4 things are generally winding down round 3 is often very important unless there was a double turn.

 Overread wrote:
Yes DoK only just got a book. What's more surprising to me is that so far this doesn't look like they are actually adding much if anything to the DoK army with this book. It's really rare to see GW push out a book that fast without a big model update.

Slaanesh had that treatment, a new book then another one fairly fast ,but it came with a big chunky release of new models.



So far DoK have one new hero and a Warband for Underworld coming and nothing else. I know they are popular, but it does seem really fast to get another book so soon after the last.

I can only wonder if GW are holding back a big model update or if they are going to blend in more of the old Dark Elf army models formally into the DoK tome. Creating a "pure priestess" army and an "allied" army option.


That would at least be a formal chunky addition even if its kind of diluting the DoK theme, but would likely make Dark Elf fans really happy (esp since their army is basically all present in AoS )

Speaking to a staffer, (so take this with as much salt as you wish) apparently HQ consider the current one incredibly unfun to play against. So much so that the GHB and adjustments wasn't considered enough. So this is a fast redo to try and get it back into line with the other books.

You know what? That is a reason I can accept.

No surprises in the FAQs, save I did not expect them to let the Flamekeeper keep double dipping on casualties. I am happy they did though since it makes multiples viable.

 Overread wrote:

I can only wonder if GW are holding back a big model update or if they are going to blend in more of the old Dark Elf army models formally into the DoK tome. Creating a "pure priestess" army and an "allied" army option.


That would at least be a formal chunky addition even if its kind of diluting the DoK theme, but would likely make Dark Elf fans really happy (esp since their army is basically all present in AoS )

I would totally be down with that as I would love to put my pre-AoS dark elf army on the table outside the framework of the Cities of Sigmar book.

Considering books are in print queues for 10+ months, I don't think that story holds up, respectfully.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Yes DoK only just got a book. What's more surprising to me is that so far this doesn't look like they are actually adding much if anything to the DoK army with this book. It's really rare to see GW push out a book that fast without a big model update.

Slaanesh had that treatment, a new book then another one fairly fast ,but it came with a big chunky release of new models.



So far DoK have one new hero and a Warband for Underworld coming and nothing else. I know they are popular, but it does seem really fast to get another book so soon after the last.

I can only wonder if GW are holding back a big model update or if they are going to blend in more of the old Dark Elf army models formally into the DoK tome. Creating a "pure priestess" army and an "allied" army option.


That would at least be a formal chunky addition even if its kind of diluting the DoK theme, but would likely make Dark Elf fans really happy (esp since their army is basically all present in AoS )

Speaking to a staffer, (so take this with as much salt as you wish) apparently HQ consider the current one incredibly unfun to play against. So much so that the GHB and adjustments wasn't considered enough. So this is a fast redo to try and get it back into line with the other books.

Also, it was the single most lopsided book GW has ever put out for AoS.

Morathi and 15 bow snakes comprise on of the best competitive lists in the format.

DoK without Morathi and 15 bow snakes are one of the worst armies in the game. Without those two units and their crazy OP interaction, the rest of DoK plays JUST like Slaanesh except, slower, less punchy, and with no summoning.

Turns out across the board nerfs to a books melee options makes them unappealing. Who knew?


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NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Considering books are in print queues for 10+ months, I don't think that story holds up, respectfully.

This number changes every time it comes up.

The dok isn't hardly surprise now seeing we got this revealed january...

But hoping it fixes internal balance and it's not morathi and 15 snakes double shooting. Well that is almost certainly gone or changed once per game(which still would likely be busted).

I hope they finally get rid of the auto-take command trait Hagg Nar currently has, though the Nurgle tome does not inspire hope in that regard.

Subfaction requirements goes away in 3rd ed books. Now subfactions are just free bonuses(which makes gw's claim you can pick one silly. Sure technically it's optional but would need to be idiot to not pick one)

tneva82 wrote:
Subfaction requirements goes away in 3rd ed books. Now subfactions are just free bonuses(which makes gw's claim you can pick one silly. Sure technically it's optional but would need to be idiot to not pick one)

That's been true since the last tomes of 1st edition. At any rate, some command traits/artifacts have migrated over to the generic lists, so that would be my concern.

In aos2 there been reasons to not take one. Fec in particular but also with gits and ogors i have preferred no subfaction several times. Last tournament none of subfaction bonuses helped me enough while auto unbind was very appealing(though i botched using that)

New Daemon Prince and Chaos dudes on foot?

Also what looks like content of battletome.

Could be like with hh like next year release or maybe autumn release.

Under Be'lakor, it mentions someone known as the "Blade of the First Prince"

Could be the new DP character?

Apparently a new Daemon and some Chosen?

tneva82 wrote:
Also what looks like content of battletome.

Could be like with hh like next year release or maybe autumn release.

I'm tentatively calling bs on this one. Horns of Hashut? Ogroid Theridons but not Thaumaturge? I'm extremely skeptical.

Oh, I do hope that's a new Daemon Prince kit that will make god specific builds and not just a new character.

Isn't thaumaturge tzeentc/? At leasw app has it atm there. 2 ogoroids ie pic vs 1 app now has. And cd been rumoured for a while

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Also what looks like content of battletome.

Could be like with hh like next year release or maybe autumn release.

I'm tentatively calling bs on this one. Horns of Hashut? Ogroid Theridons but not Thaumaturge? I'm extremely skeptical.

As Tneva said, the Thaumaturge is in the Tzeentch book.

 GaroRobe wrote:
Under Be'lakor, it mentions someone known as the "Blade of the First Prince"

Could be the new DP character?

Eternius, Blade of the First Prince. Very He-man.
Yeah. Though Belakor (as the 'First Prince') with his own daemon prince seems... odd.

I also hope its a general DP kit with some extra bits, but I'm not holding my breath.

In the bottom left of the first pic, there looks to be a Chaos Warrior with Standard/Banner. Could be the long awaited multi-part Chaos Warrior kit?