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 ImAGeek wrote:
I think Chaos Dwarfs are almost definitely coming, and now at least they’re more likely to be their own thing rather than a handful of units in the Slaves to Darkness book.

I also think that CD will get their own book rather than be a one/few unit/s in other book.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
I think Chaos Dwarfs are almost definitely coming, and now at least they’re more likely to be their own thing rather than a handful of units in the Slaves to Darkness book.

I also think that CD will get their own book rather than be a one/few unit/s in other book.

Also agree, and with this Horns of Hashut warband seeming to be human and not duardin (at least in keywords) that perhaps humans have replaced the Chorfs traditional WHFB fodder role of Hobgoblins and O&G slaves. Would make for more willing fodder, being that they are believers in Hashut rather then pressed into service.

The Entire Nighthaunt Tome has leaked and made it into the wilds.


Not sure what happened ag GW last Friday, this is a crazy amount of leaks.

I think Hashut will be an equal opportunity enslaver of souls, valuing chorf and human souls alike.

Or they're just repurposing Hashut into a human warband, calling it a day, and not doing chaos dwarfs at all.

 Sasori wrote:
The Entire Nighthaunt Tome has leaked and made it into the wilds.


Not sure what happened ag GW last Friday, this is a crazy amount of leaks.

Maybe somebody rage quit and just unleashed the vault of rules before they left, basically went "NDA DEEZ NUTS" and mic dropped.

Voss wrote:
Or they're just repurposing Hashut into a human warband, calling it a day, and not doing chaos dwarfs at all.

They have just announced that Space Dwarfs are back, and fans are singing from joy aka money will flow a river. I bet that they have already thought to repeat the same move for AoS.

So the prince has 10 bravery, 5 attacks, d2, rend2, reach 2. Only 3 less than the Kraken Eater...logic behind this? AoS logic, I guess...

Otherwordly power on a small creature is nearly a match for a big huge stompy man?

 nels1031 wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
I think Chaos Dwarfs are almost definitely coming, and now at least they’re more likely to be their own thing rather than a handful of units in the Slaves to Darkness book.

I also think that CD will get their own book rather than be a one/few unit/s in other book.

Also agree, and with this Horns of Hashut warband seeming to be human and not duardin (at least in keywords) that perhaps humans have replaced the Chorfs traditional WHFB fodder role of Hobgoblins and O&G slaves. Would make for more willing fodder, being that they are believers in Hashut rather then pressed into service.

Hobgoblins still have ties to Chaos Dwarves in the background in the Orruk book so I could see them turning up in a Chaos Dwarf book still if we do get one.

I might see it as a way to differentiate the AoS Chorfs to the Fantasy Chorfs. I’m actually expecting the Furnace Kings to look different from the Dawi Zharr.

Yeah, the amount of leaks recently is patently absurd. Either they've had a rebellion amongst their playtesters and content creators getting preview materials or something has gone wrong internally.

This is just how they're rolling out the "free digital rules" paradigm. Got to ease in to it, don't want to shock the playerbase.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Yeah, the amount of leaks recently is patently absurd. Either they've had a rebellion amongst their playtesters and content creators getting preview materials or something has gone wrong internally.

Maybe someone is sick of their gak and is frustrated by the fact they have everything ready for relase but are holding it up for 6+ months.

They always have stuff ready for release waiting turn. This been decades so. Why people keeg thinking gw does something fiom zero to release# in weeks...

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Yeah, the amount of leaks recently is patently absurd. Either they've had a rebellion amongst their playtesters and content creators getting preview materials or something has gone wrong internally.

Maybe someone is sick of their gak and is frustrated by the fact they have everything ready for relase but are holding it up for 6+ months.

GW are still releasing at solid rate, its not like they aren't releasing anything.

I figure its lower level staff causing problems. Lets not forget that a month or so ago it seems that someone in the warehouse stole all (or a big order of) the Eldar Collectable coins and foregeworld models and more and, far as I can tell, their Ebay store is still going and hasn't been shut down or anything and we've not heard any backlash from that.



Thing is it only takes a tiny number of people to cause problems

chaos0xomega wrote:
Yeah, the amount of leaks recently is patently absurd. Either they've had a rebellion amongst their playtesters and content creators getting preview materials or something has gone wrong internally.

Not all that familiar with the inner workings of playtest or content creators, but it seems awfully early for them to have a finished product in hand. I'd wager this is someone in the production line.

 Overread wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Yeah, the amount of leaks recently is patently absurd. Either they've had a rebellion amongst their playtesters and content creators getting preview materials or something has gone wrong internally.

Maybe someone is sick of their gak and is frustrated by the fact they have everything ready for relase but are holding it up for 6+ months.

GW are still releasing at solid rate, its not like they aren't releasing anything.

I figure its lower level staff causing problems. Lets not forget that a month or so ago it seems that someone in the warehouse stole all (or a big order of) the Eldar Collectable coins and foregeworld models and more and, far as I can tell, their Ebay store is still going and hasn't been shut down or anything and we've not heard any backlash from that.


Thing is it only takes a tiny number of people to cause problems

How would lower level staff get their hands on the finished production version of something that's not supposed to be anywhere close to relase for half a year?

 nels1031 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Yeah, the amount of leaks recently is patently absurd. Either they've had a rebellion amongst their playtesters and content creators getting preview materials or something has gone wrong internally.

Not all that familiar with the inner workings of playtest or content creators, but it seems awfully early for them to have a finished product in hand. I'd wager this is someone in the production line.

You'd be surprised. Playtesters don't seem to generally get things all that far in advance, but content creators sometimes get things months ahead of schedule, and in some cases years in advance (as was the case with a contract painter who revealed they had painted one of the recently previewed minis over 2 years prior).

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Yeah, the amount of leaks recently is patently absurd. Either they've had a rebellion amongst their playtesters and content creators getting preview materials or something has gone wrong internally.

Maybe someone is sick of their gak and is frustrated by the fact they have everything ready for relase but are holding it up for 6+ months.

GW are still releasing at solid rate, its not like they aren't releasing anything.

I figure its lower level staff causing problems. Lets not forget that a month or so ago it seems that someone in the warehouse stole all (or a big order of) the Eldar Collectable coins and foregeworld models and more and, far as I can tell, their Ebay store is still going and hasn't been shut down or anything and we've not heard any backlash from that.


Thing is it only takes a tiny number of people to cause problems

How would lower level staff get their hands on the finished production version of something that's not supposed to be anywhere close to relase for half a year?

Product prototypes are marketing samples are done months ahead of release... but you're talking maybe a few dozen copies of something at most.

A bit bummed that the Horns of Hashut aren't Chaos Dwarves, but......I love their aesthetic and really like them regardless. Hopefully the Tarantulos Brood will get an individual release soon, because I'd love to add them along with the Horns to my Warcry collection.

Playtest stuff wouldn't be a fully finished product... because you wouldn't be able to change it.

Cover looks like it's from one of those pre-release boxes with the exclusive covers. Might be the actual box is an Autumn release, but the standalones are Winter.

That's still a good ways ahead of time mind you, but less weird than 5-6 months.

 Sabotage! wrote:
A bit bummed that the Horns of Hashut aren't Chaos Dwarves, but......I love their aesthetic and really like them regardless. Hopefully the Tarantulos Brood will get an individual release soon, because I'd love to add them along with the Horns to my Warcry collection.

We don’t know what the warband has fully. Like iron golem have a dwarf, splinter fangs have an aelf, etc

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Playtest stuff wouldn't be a fully finished product... because you wouldn't be able to change it.

I thought the playtesters received pre-release finished copies as part of their "compensation"?

 GaroRobe wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:
A bit bummed that the Horns of Hashut aren't Chaos Dwarves, but......I love their aesthetic and really like them regardless. Hopefully the Tarantulos Brood will get an individual release soon, because I'd love to add them along with the Horns to my Warcry collection.

We don’t know what the warband has fully. Like iron golem have a dwarf, splinter fangs have an aelf, etc

Great point, I do love the diversity in the Warcry bands.

Looks like DoK becomes the first army to change reinforcement rules there's a clipped image from the book (assuming it's real) that shows Draichi Ganeth can have 1 reinforced or double reinforced unit of Witch Aelves in addition to the other reinforced units it can include.

Very happy to see that unit of Ogroids just as well the book is over 6 months away it's going to be an expensive release!

I've long felt that the reinforcement rules are a very harsh system.

I like the idea of making infantry blocks less attractive as the best solution to every problem. But GW went overboard, taking away the point saving for full infantry blocks (good thing) but then doubling down by harshly limiting you. Considering you can only have 2 full infantry blocks at 2K points and EVERY other unit must be minimum strength thereafter is a REALLY big change in how the game works.

It does make medium strength units and elites work better, I have to say that. Because now they have a slot in the army that isn't directly and always competing with infantry blocks.

But I still feel that it was harsh.



I'd fully expect some armies to have new methods - heck I'd wager Skaven could even ignore it for units like Clan rats which are at their very core designed to be worthless swarmers.


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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Yeah, the amount of leaks recently is patently absurd. Either they've had a rebellion amongst their playtesters and content creators getting preview materials or something has gone wrong internally.

Maybe someone is sick of their gak and is frustrated by the fact they have everything ready for relase but are holding it up for 6+ months.

GW are still releasing at solid rate, its not like they aren't releasing anything.

I figure its lower level staff causing problems. Lets not forget that a month or so ago it seems that someone in the warehouse stole all (or a big order of) the Eldar Collectable coins and foregeworld models and more and, far as I can tell, their Ebay store is still going and hasn't been shut down or anything and we've not heard any backlash from that.


Thing is it only takes a tiny number of people to cause problems

How would lower level staff get their hands on the finished production version of something that's not supposed to be anywhere close to relase for half a year?

Well its GW not the military. Sure they have a very compartmentalised system, but I'm sure there are weak points within it.

Also because I'd expect higher level staff to not want to risk their jobs as much being as this is a super niche industry and at the higher levels I'm fairly sure GW is probably going to pay you the best for your skill set. Or at least have a position for your skill set in a market where many other firms are tiny handfuls of staff in key roles.

Lower level staff might well feel less committed or might not even really be in the miniature skill tree. Eg pickers/packers/cleaning/basic office staff might well be doing your basic jobs that you get at any number of firms and their skills are not tied to miniature wargaming.



It's just a gut feeling, esp as there has been a LOT spoilt super early. If a higher level staffer did it I'd kind of expect there to be far less volume of leak if there were a leak at all.

Funnily enough only army i run into issues is with cos. 4 reinforced units been plenty. I run out of points. You still need plenty of units(

 Overread wrote:
I've long felt that the reinforcement rules are a very harsh system.

I like the idea of making infantry blocks less attractive as the best solution to every problem. But GW went overboard, taking away the point saving for full infantry blocks (good thing) but then doubling down by harshly limiting you. Considering you can only have 2 full infantry blocks at 2K points and EVERY other unit must be minimum strength thereafter is a REALLY big change in how the game works.

It does make medium strength units and elites work better, I have to say that. Because now they have a slot in the army that isn't directly and always competing with infantry blocks.

But I still feel that it was harsh.



I'd fully expect some armies to have new methods - heck I'd wager Skaven could even ignore it for units like Clan rats which are at their very core designed to be worthless swarmers.

Honestly the reinforcement system is the worst part of AoS3, it basically just makes MSU the default way to play, which is something I've always found to be bland and boring. I preferred the old system which encouraged fielding larger units.

Same, my group basically dropped AoS because of that.