em_en_oh_pee wrote:
So the Ogor book is just literally a small rules update. It is ostensibly just a re-release of the same book we've had since 8th?

I hope they make Gluttons worth taking and make Gutbusters as a whole viable without needing BCR.

tneva82 wrote:
Eh we have known this for like months so why comment now?


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 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
So the Ogor book is just literally a small rules update. It is ostensibly just a re-release of the same book we've had since 8th?

I hope they make Gluttons worth taking and make Gutbusters as a whole viable without needing BCR.

You have seen rules already then as otherwise your first paragraph makes zero sense. Care to tell more of book then?

Numinous, dexterous, and supercilious by nature, the Lumineth Realm-lords are the self-proclaimed stewards of the Mortal Realms, determined to protect it from any Arcane Cataclysm. Battletome: Lumineth Realm-lords brings these arrogant-but-brilliant warriors into the Era of the Beast with a shining host of new rules.

When battle commences, each aspect of a Lumineth war host operates in independent harmony, performing their part of a perfectly synchronised plan. Vanari warriors serve as a solid core supported by superior Scinari spellcasters, while lightning-fast Hurakan flyers strike at weak points and the icons of the Alarith stand indomitable, counter-punching with earthen might.

Renowned for their near-limitless knowledge of the arcane, wizards like the new Scinari Enlightener are the beating thaumaturgical hearts of a Lumineth army. Such is the skill of these sorcerous powerhouses that SCINARI HEROES can even ward off death itself with a Phoenix Stone.

This puissant artefact is far more reliable than before, allowing another friendly HERO within 12” to cheat death on a roll of 3+. Not only is the wound that would kill them negated – along with all other incoming wounds – but the searing flames of rejuvenation also restore D3 lost wounds.

The unflinching scions of the Alarith temple commune with mountains and embody the enduring peaks of Hysh. While swifter forces surge around them, the Alarith Stoneguard stand their ground at key battlefield points with the Fortitude of the Earth.

The Alarith were always tough – especially for aelves – but this new ability makes them truly indomitable. Blessed with a ward of 4+ against mortal wounds while they’re holding objectives, they can shrug off magic and poisons that would bypass their finely-crafted armour.

As if being hard as stone wasn’t enough, the Alarith can also hit like an avalanche. Alarith Stonemages now have access to the Molten Talisman, a new artefact that adds 1 to wound rolls for friendly ALARITH units wholly within 12”.

Keep your Stonemage from charging into combat, and you’ll see your Stoneguard wounding on 2+ with their mighty mallets and deadly diamondpicks. That’s not a healthy prospect for anyone who wants to steal an objective out from under them!

Bounding and soaring over these immovable warriors are the acolytes of the Hurakan temple. Hurakan Windchargers boast nearly unrestricted movement, leaping over infantry lines to isolate and eliminate high-value targets with their Windcharger Arrows.

These deadly weapons no longer ignore cover – after all, your treerunner mounts can just bound over any defences – but instead completely bypass ward rolls. Whether banishing the ethereal Nighthaunt or hunting down rune-warded duardin champions, these riders are a needle-sharp rapier carried on magical winds.

Battletome: Lumineth Realm-lords contains heaps more goodies for the Vanari, Scinari, Alarith, and Hurakan – and that’s before matters become dire enough that Archmage Teclis and his best friend Celennar* take to the field. It also covers the six great nations of Hysh – mastering these disparate styles and bringing them together in glorious synergy will be crucial to victory in battles.

Change is in the air, quite literally – Screamers of Tzeentch and Tzaangor warriors on living discs scream through a sky turned kaleidoscopic by gouts of unnatural magical flame. Battletome: Disciples of Tzeentch is on its way, and the scheming Scintillating Hosts have seen their rules mutate into new forms at the touch of the Changer of the Ways.

Whether through legions of cawing Tzaangor and mortal Arcanite cultists or multitudinous hordes of ever-shifting daemons, the Disciples of Tzeentch wield supremacy over magic. Endless Spells are drawn along with these hosts, sustained by the aura of sorcerous energy.

With the Arcane Armies battle trait, a Disciples of Tzeentch wizard on the battlefield can automatically cast a spell, that also cannot be unbound, in the first battle round to summon a Sigil of Tzeentch, Tome of Eyes, or Daemonic Simulacrum to the battlefield. Enemy wizards cannot even dispel these in the first battle round, so suffused is the air with magic.

The Gaunt Summoners are nine daemon monarchs favoured by Tzeentch, each dwelling deep within a labyrinthine crystal fortress known as a Silver Tower. They delight in transporting enemy champions into these maddening mazes, letting them drive themselves insane in an attempt to escape.

Lords of the Silver Tower allows any Gaunt Summoner to attempt to transport an enemy Hero within 9” who has attacked them, or tried to injure them via stranger means, into the deranged warrens of their glittering oubliette, removing them from play.

Not content with using these brain-melting constructs to whisk away troublesome heroes, the Gaunt Summoners can also use a complex network of realmgates and portals to deploy units onto the battlefield exactly where they need them.

These Silvered Portals allow up to two units set up after a Gaunt Summoner to be placed in reserve. These units can then be teleported out of the Silver Tower at the end of the movement phase, within 9” of the Gaunt Summoner (and 9” away from all enemy units), a delightful delivery of gibbering, warpflame-spouting daemons.

Tzeentch commands a vast menagerie of daemons. Chief among these are the towering, avian-featured Lords of Change. Masters of magic, these daemons shimmer with arcane power, and with a simple gesture, they can saturate a huge area around them with eldritch energy, becoming a Beacon of Sorcery.

This overwhelming flow of energy improves the casting, dispelling, and unbinding rolls by one for all friendly Tzeentch Wizards wholly with 18” of them, and also opens a conduit directly to the Changer of the Ways himself, granting these mighty wizards access to the whole Lore of Change.

Battletome: Disciples of Tzeentch contains plenty more marvellous mutagenic magic for Changehosts to play with. With a swollen spell book to cast from and duplicitous tricks up their immaterial sleeves, the forces of Tzeentch are prepared to dominate the battlefields of the Mortal Realms in a pyroclastic burst of colour.

tneva82 wrote:
That I doubt even more to drop unannounced just like that.

Also former sword guy who's blind now seems unlikely to carry arrow quiver with him...

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I mean, it's making the assumption whatever this is drops with the book, which is unlikely. Also Tyrion seems to be fine fighting anythnig despite the lack of eyes.

 Kanluwen wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
That I doubt even more to drop unannounced just like that.

It might be that it's a two-sided display shoot they did for the army book.

Also former sword guy who's blind now seems unlikely to carry arrow quiver with him...

Former warrior guy who's blind but considered a "defensive tactician" wouldn't be a bad pick for becoming an archer.


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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I mean, it's making the assumption whatever this is drops with the book, which is unlikely. Also Tyrion seems to be fine fighting anythnig despite the lack of eyes.

That's where I'm at too. Whatever it is might be intended to come out in a different method later on.

FWIW, I've seen some fairly convincing posts that it's just the backside of a display and a Spirit of the Wind seen from the back.

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Eh we have known this for like months so why comment now?


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 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
So the Ogor book is just literally a small rules update. It is ostensibly just a re-release of the same book we've had since 8th?

I hope they make Gluttons worth taking and make Gutbusters as a whole viable without needing BCR.

You have seen rules already then as otherwise your first paragraph makes zero sense. Care to tell more of book then?

No one likes a smartass.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I mean, it's making the assumption whatever this is drops with the book, which is unlikely. Also Tyrion seems to be fine fighting anythnig despite the lack of eyes.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Does someone at GW have a fetish for blind High Elves?

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 em_en_oh_pee wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Eh we have known this for like months so why comment now?


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 em_en_oh_pee wrote:
So the Ogor book is just literally a small rules update. It is ostensibly just a re-release of the same book we've had since 8th?

I hope they make Gluttons worth taking and make Gutbusters as a whole viable without needing BCR.

You have seen rules already then as otherwise your first paragraph makes zero sense. Care to tell more of book then?

No one likes a smartass.

Says the guy expressing conclusions on a book he hasn't read.

At any rate in my eyes small rules update would be good for OMT, their army mechanics as a whole behave both mechanically and narratively well. Smoothing out some rough edges and giving some stat boosts would do great. The army needs new miniatures more than it needs new rules; some resins moving to plastic and a few more unit options, a Gnoblar character would be fun...

Though my dream is for a full Firebelly subfaction that is just pure wishlisting.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Originally Tyrion manifested in Hysh by himself and explored the realm, eventually reaching the edge and communing with the spirit of Hysh itself. The experience burned out his eyesight because, ya know, primal light made manifest and all. Tyrion then re-manifested alongside his twin, albeit without memory of having communed with Hysh. Though Tyrion is himself blind he can see through Teclis' eyes. Being Teclis I would be unsurprised if he had figured some magical means of bending that to give Tyrion some sort of proxy-sight.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Originally Tyrion manifested in Hysh by himself and explored the realm, eventually reaching the edge and communing with the spirit of Hysh itself. The experience burned out his eyesight because, ya know, primal light made manifest and all. Tyrion then re-manifested alongside his twin, albeit without memory of having communed with Hysh. Though Tyrion is himself blind he can see through Teclis' eyes. Being Teclis I would be unsurprised if he had figured some magical means of bending that to give Tyrion some sort of proxy-sight.

Wow. I know we all crap on the Heavy Plot Armor that Spaces Marines have, but those two are straight-up Mary Sues.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Originally Tyrion manifested in Hysh by himself and explored the realm, eventually reaching the edge and communing with the spirit of Hysh itself. The experience burned out his eyesight because, ya know, primal light made manifest and all. Tyrion then re-manifested alongside his twin, albeit without memory of having communed with Hysh. Though Tyrion is himself blind he can see through Teclis' eyes. Being Teclis I would be unsurprised if he had figured some magical means of bending that to give Tyrion some sort of proxy-sight.

Wow. I know we all crap on the Heavy Plot Armor that Spaces Marines have, but those two are straight-up Mary Sues.

That isn't what a Mary Sue is. Both characters have really paid for what they've gained with a lot of pain and a lot of loss. They have eaten the consequences of their very-existent flaws in significant ways.