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I'm not happy with those prices, but not outraged either. Not even disappointed, it's just what to expect nowadays. Really though it could be knocked down 15% considering the discounters tons of people will use.

The prices for single foot heroes are still absurd. Exalted hero is easily converted from a Chosen or Chaos Warrior with a few spare bits from other kits. He looks cool, but not nearly THAT cool.

Anyone knows what's the deal with the Vanguard boxes? For Slaves to darkness it seems almost identical to the Start Collecting box.
So are they meant to replace the Start collecting boxes? Are they limited or will they be around for a while?

Uuuh...SC's been replaced with combat patrol(40k) and vanguards(AOS) for over a year now...

Yes they are replacement. Yes they are staying until they are replaced with something in future but for now they are here to stay.

Basically new version of SC. More stuff though higher price. Worse in that buy in price is higher though of course you get more models in return. IIRC discount is about the same. Just less of impulse buy level price.

Also they are more careful about making spammable vanguards. Nothing like old beastclaw raider that was buy 3, have 2k army. Sylvaneth is one of the more spammable ones and even then you end up with spare heroes(though still saving over separate buying and as kits have options you can find use for several)

AUD$98 for 5 Chosen knocks the wind out of the sails a bit.

Had I known the Army Set was a full $100 discount on the miniatures alone with the Battletome and peripherals for free, I might have actually considered it.

Wonder how many times these discount boxes have to be high discount before people start to believe they have high discount

I was extremely underwhelmed with the value of the Sororitas army box, especially in terms of the quality of the peripherals, so I started ignoring most of them on the assumption any discount on miniatures was countered by overvalued books and cards.

At any rate, $335 isn't exactly a spur of the moment purchase price, but in hindsight I should have seen $98 Chosen coming not because it's a reasonable price but because it hasn't even been a year since Hedonites got their 5-man elite troops for the same price.

Ok. 'Sonorous Toot' is the name of my next bard rpg character...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/01/10/chaos-warriors-and-exalted-heroes-of-chaos-dress-to-impress-in-their-new-kits/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=warhammer-age-of-sigmar&utm_content=chaoskitfocus10012023&fbclid=IwAR1R9feUMp4DaeSDsHMxEnfzWbH-eK4myx1lcuEVgt3KMb2tMhDfk7kmzoo

Huh. I really like the off-white armor. Really striking, and for some reason I've never seen that approach to chaos warriors before.

The 'exalted champion' looks like any other dude, with underwhelming options for gear. I presume he's on a bigger base so people will know.... though I believe chosen are also on 40mm. So I guess he has limited weapons and they must take two handers so they can't be confused with each other.

MarkNorfolk wrote:
Ok. 'Sonorous Toot' is the name of my next bard rpg character...

That is a great line, for sure.

I know its certainly been brought up before when we all saw the previews and the notable absence of CW's with weapons in each hand. But after just glancing at the sprue, I don't see how it wasn't possible to include options for CW's with weapons in each hand. I wonder what the design decision behind omitting that option was all about. I guess they wanted the weapon in each hand to be a Blood Warrior/Twin Soul thing?

Eternus breakdown:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/01/12/eternus-build-mounted-leaders-to-shake-the-realms-for-your-slaves-to-darkness-army/

I have to say, it feels like a very clever kit for a dual build.

Edit*

Also new FAQ's and points are up:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs/#warhammer-age-of-sigmar

https://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/#warhammer-age-of-sigmar

I like that the horse can be assembled with hooves.

The swingy bits on Eternus make my head hurt, there are about 3 conflicting lines of movement in his pose

 Geifer wrote:
I like that the horse can be assembled with hooves.

Apparently I need to stop going to the last unread post and scrolling up. Out of context, that statement was seriously wiggy.

Clearly I was too hasty in my criticisms of 5-point point changes; they were just rounding everything to 10s.

Ooof... 5 Chosen for AUD$105. That's a 7% increase over the last equivalent box (Possessed). Ditto for the basic squad of Chaos Warriors. Guess that price point is the "new normal" for infantry and large infantry sets from now on.

And I thought that Chosen came 10 to a box, but it's only 5. Glad I got my 10 for 66% off.

Over on my blog I unbox the new Chaos Warriors, Chaos Knights, and Exalted Hero of Chaos.

I explore all the assembly options, took high-res sprue pics, and check whether the new Warriors are compatible with the Chaos Chosen kit or not:

https://taleofpainters.com/2023/01/review-chaos-warriors-chaos-knights-exalted-hero-of-chaos/

PS: Chaos Chosen come only in boxes of five, ouch.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ooof... 5 Chosen for AUD$105. That's a 7% increase over the last equivalent box (Possessed).

Possessed are 45€, Chosen 50€. That's an 11% increase. Australia only managed 7%? Look at those rookies!

 stahly wrote:
I explore all the assembly options, took high-res sprue pics, and check whether the new Warriors are compatible with the Chaos Chosen kit or not

Do you think if I cut the Chaos Warrior weapons off at, say, the wrists, could I make a few Chosen with Halberds/shields?

I think its really interesting that they humanized all the new chaos warriors by having faces visible behind the masks.

Meanwhile, the "good" stormcast have nothing but darkness behind the masks (unless you're blowing a horn)

Not sure if it was intentional, but its a cool dichotomy

AoS has done really well lore wise to present Chaos as quite tempting to join and quite a lot more "human" than the Stormcast.

It's a great move because it lets them have a good VS evil battle at the gods end of things; whilst at the mortal end of things you can easily see how many many people would be tempted toward Chaos. How Chaos seeps into and corrupts and how civilizations and nations can function with Chaos.

Which is a great thing because its so easy when doing a faction like Chaos that you can end up with something like early Drow for DnD - focused so much on the twisted dark aspects that any attempt to step back results in a huge issue with trying to work out just why or how their society even functions*.

Chaos we can see how you get tempted in; how societies form and promote the worship; how they can indeed appear attractive and possible to join outside of "oh you're driven mad by chaos powers".


And yep having Stormcast as less human is a very bold and great move. It sets Stormcast up to be these paragons of truth and power and justice, but also allows them to have that sinister dark side. That inhuman side that makes them powerful allies, but as time passes perhaps less and less trusted. Especially with those who have been reforged many times over and are losing more and more of their humanity

*A society where everyone is seeking to assassinate or backstab everyone else. Where the only social mobility is killing those superior to you; where every day you have to watch out in case someone comes to kill you and where you've almost no loyalties or unity between anyone.
Such a society is super hard to imagine how it even manages to build a settlement of a few individuals, let alone a nation with significant technological, magical ,cultural and more sophistication and advances.

Agreed on all counts Overread.

Though... old Drow would lose in a heartbeat to Skaven, who have figured out how to actually run* a society that way!

*It helps when every Skaven believes he is the greatest Skaven to have ever lived.

 GaroRobe wrote:
I think its really interesting that they humanized all the new chaos warriors by having faces visible behind the masks.

Meanwhile, the "good" stormcast have nothing but darkness behind the masks (unless you're blowing a horn)

Not sure if it was intentional, but its a cool dichotomy

If I recall correctly, the original fluff behind Stormcast is that they were just animated suits of armor - there was no actual body inside.

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
I think its really interesting that they humanized all the new chaos warriors by having faces visible behind the masks.

Meanwhile, the "good" stormcast have nothing but darkness behind the masks (unless you're blowing a horn)

Not sure if it was intentional, but its a cool dichotomy

If I recall correctly, the original fluff behind Stormcast is that they were just animated suits of armor - there was no actual body inside.

That was pre-/early release fan-theory/headcanon and was never the actual case in canon. Unless you mean designer interviews revealed that they initially thought to do that, but by their actual release that wasn't the case.

These prices are out of control, a basic troops box (Chaos warriors) box is now in CAD the same price as a new video game release.

Not sure what to think besides the fact I wont be buying any of these kits separately, except maybe the Vanguard box.

 Rihgu wrote:

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
I think its really interesting that they humanized all the new chaos warriors by having faces visible behind the masks.

Meanwhile, the "good" stormcast have nothing but darkness behind the masks (unless you're blowing a horn)

Not sure if it was intentional, but its a cool dichotomy

If I recall correctly, the original fluff behind Stormcast is that they were just animated suits of armor - there was no actual body inside.

That was pre-/early release fan-theory/headcanon and was never the actual case in canon. Unless you mean designer interviews revealed that they initially thought to do that, but by their actual release that wasn't the case.

Funny. When I got into the hobby I thought the Stormcast were literally just empty suits of armour apart from the big heroes and whatnot

frogert_poj wrote:
These prices are out of control, a basic troops box (Chaos warriors) box is now in CAD the same price as a new video game release.

Not sure what to think besides the fact I wont be buying any of these kits separately, except maybe the Vanguard box.

Yeah. 50€ for 10 basic infantry miniatures? WTF man.

I've not been happy with things like £40 for 5 cavalry models for ages - since Ossiarchs when it started!



Also aren't video games on consoles going up in price this year?

 Overread wrote:
I've not been happy with things like £40 for 5 cavalry models for ages - since Ossiarchs when it started!



Also aren't video games on consoles going up in price this year?

Some triple A publishers are trying to push the jump from $60 to $70. It isn't terribly common (yet), and its harder to do because of so many smaller studios not doing it.

But the major difference is the price of video games was static for a long, long time (honestly decades), until they finally managed to shift it to $60. And that was a while ago. With current inflation and the cost of development of development going up (with the pushback on using programmers and animators as disposal wage-slaves on perpetual crunch time), there actually is an argument to be made that costs are going up. It isn't necessarily justified (and imo, would be better with a percentage increase rather than a flat $10 jump), but its a much more complex situation than GW still paying their people relative pennies, and their materials cost being adjacent to almost nothing and still raising prices (because they largely set the market price anyway).

I badly wanted new chosen, but having to spend more than 120 dollars to get the same amount that was in the big box is... no. Never. I will never spend that amount.

And that's why i got big boxes.