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I just hope we get more werewolf vampires and perhaps even some full on werewolves!

 Overread wrote:
perhaps even some full on werewolves!

https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Skin_Wolf

Yeah but for Death not chaos - and actually being sold (cause there aren't any AoS/Old World FW models left :()

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
That's cute, i'll have to give it a try. Also rather liking the new Soulblight character being a monster debuffer. She'll be an interesting one to experiment with.

Irrritating how she totally stops stuff too hard. Gargants going to find her silly tough to remove(not as bad as gotrek at least. Gotrek solmes 2k gargants even before they got nerfed vs gotrek>

Yeah that's going to be tricky to overcome. Of course sometimes models, esp Gotrek because he's slow and high priced in points, are best ignored and not removed. You just skirt around them or stall them rather than go for the kill.

If she secures an objective on her own with a few units against Gargants then she's done her work for the player taking her and the Gargant player has put their entire army elsewhere on the table. So pushing things away like that can work for you and against you

I'm a bit frustrated that it is ANOTHER named character for Vyrkos--they have eight already, more options in named heroes than some entire factions have for any sort of hero. But I love the model and those rules seem very interesting.

Heck she could have just been another Cursed City model. Blackstone got multiple expansions over time and CC was a total mess of releases. So you could well see that she might originally have been part of another expansion. Heck perhaps the free campaign GW has also released was also once going to be a paid one for CC

I was worried at first, till I realised as a named character I can just drop her with ranged fire before she can reach my big flying monsters as an on foot hero.

Does have some real strength in Ogres though.

 Overread wrote:
Yeah but for Death not chaos - and actually being sold (cause there aren't any AoS/Old World FW models left :()

But werewoofs aren't dead? They have no business being in Death. You might expect them in Vampire Counts because that has a more traditional foundation in classic horror, but in AoS there's no good reason to have (live) werewoofs in Death.

Maybe a compromise? Bring back Chaos Undead and all of a sudden you have both in the same Grand Alliance.

 Overread wrote:
Heck she could have just been another Cursed City model. Blackstone got multiple expansions over time and CC was a total mess of releases. So you could well see that she might originally have been part of another expansion. Heck perhaps the free campaign GW has also released was also once going to be a paid one for CC

It's a bit of a shame that we'll likely never know if vampires with unshaved legs are just a fetish of one of the sculptors like how we're overflowing with Death Guard characters, or if Cursed City actually was supposed to be that big thing with plenty of expansions and tie-ins before disaster struck. Both options are plausible and not even mutually exclusive.

Neither are ghouls. But they've been in linked with death for decades. Everyone associates werewolves with vampires these days.

Pretty well established trope that vampires can control wolves or turn into wolves too.

That's what I mean. Ghouls are in because they were lifted straight from classic horror and got integrated in the Undead army at a time when it didn't bother GW to have units with different basic mechanics in the same army. That mentality fell victim to the streamlining of the Aughts and onward, and no matter how alive Ghouls are in the background, in rules terms they've effectively been dead like anyone else ever since.

GW could do that with werewolves, but from just as early on GW put werestuff with Chaos. Warhammer werewolves are firmly established as Chaos creatures regardless of what popular culture suggests. Shifting them over to Death is like shifting Fimir over to Destruction. Sure, it's theoretically possible, but it would take a company that delights in blowing up a beloved setting to replace it with a ridiculous new setting just because they want to sell shiny golden Chaos Warriors in Space on the Ground but not Chaos. I mean, what are the odds of that?

I don't think anyone would care. It always stuck out more that werewolves were part of chaos anyway. The wolf and vampire association has been well established since Dracula.

Vampires devolving into monstrous bat-humanoids has been a thing since way back in WHFB, I imagine a Vyrkos devolving similarly could definitely end up looking a lot like a werewolf.

It's already happened really. The Askurgan have that monster unit that's a werewolf in all but name and a vampire who's basically a half transformed one.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/06/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-metawatch-whats-in-the-new-battlescroll/

New battlescore out. Rally change limits a bit against the 4+ rally things. No more khorne wizard kruleboys got some help, gits got some nerF

tneva82 wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/06/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-metawatch-whats-in-the-new-battlescroll/

New battlescore out. Rally change limits a bit against the 4+ rally things. No more khorne wizard kruleboys got some help, gits got some nerF

Appreciate the simplification of Scare Taktikz and an additional dirty trick but I don't think its going to be enough to move the needle for KB either way.

I am happy to see these changes, Arcane Tome just needs a couple more limits for races that can't cast magic (Duardin, Saurus) and it'll be perfect in my eyes. Rally update was incredibly needed and puts a lot of recent releases into context IMO. Good point changes overall, too.

Kruleboyz are going to get a nice boost from this I think, but it leaves their core, fundamental problem of 6s-do-mortals as an army mechanic. Everything else is (and has been) very good for ensuring the icing is excellent, but when the cake underneath is a mess it will always leave the army feeling bad.

Kruelboyz at the bottom again and still unable to lift into the target range.

Then we are told that the kruelboyz and slaves to darkness get targeted buffs and points changes, then no points changes for kruelboyz.

Just drop their points by 10% and be done with it. They have never been good. No adjustments previously have helped. Drastic action is well overdue.

 Waaagh_Gonads wrote:
Kruelboyz at the bottom again and still unable to lift into the target range.

Then we are told that the kruelboyz and slaves to darkness get targeted buffs and points changes, then no points changes for kruelboyz.

Just drop their points by 10% and be done with it. They have never been good. No adjustments previously have helped. Drastic action is well overdue.

Great models but its just a poorly designed army with no soul.

 Waaagh_Gonads wrote:
Kruelboyz at the bottom again and still unable to lift into the target range.

Then we are told that the kruelboyz and slaves to darkness get targeted buffs and points changes, then no points changes for kruelboyz.

The article says 'respectively'. Buffs for the former, points changes for the latter.

GrosseSax wrote:
Great models but its just a poorly designed army with no soul.

They're a new faction in AOS - sounds about right, at the very least for their first edition of existence.

 Waaagh_Gonads wrote:
Kruelboyz at the bottom again and still unable to lift into the target range.

Then we are told that the kruelboyz and slaves to darkness get targeted buffs and points changes, then no points changes for kruelboyz.

Just drop their points by 10% and be done with it. They have never been good. No adjustments previously have helped. Drastic action is well overdue.

But but dakkadakka always has claims 5-10pts changes irrelevant

GrosseSax wrote:

 Waaagh_Gonads wrote:
Kruelboyz at the bottom again and still unable to lift into the target range.

Then we are told that the kruelboyz and slaves to darkness get targeted buffs and points changes, then no points changes for kruelboyz.

Just drop their points by 10% and be done with it. They have never been good. No adjustments previously have helped. Drastic action is well overdue.

Great models but its just a poorly designed army with no soul.

What does this mean, pray tell?

In some ways I feel like GW doesn't really know what to do with Orks in AoS and haven't for some time.

For 2 reasons

1) A lot of the Orruk lore has very steadily aped after 40K lore to the point where an Orruk and 40K ork are behaving almost exactly the same

2) A lot of the army was repeating itself. They removed a chunk of models; but the army was repeating. Ork on a drake/wyvern; shaman; boyz with close combat weapons; bigger boys; boyz with arrows etc... Just repeated in 2 different themes and then a 3rd which are just bigger with more armour.



Kruelboys feel like someone tried to take Orks in hand and make them closer to their Old World versions and take them away from the more jovial happy ork who scraps for a fight and make them darker; more menacing and serious. It's hampered a bit by them being lumped into the same battletome when really they feel more like they should be on their own.

More so than, say, how Skaven have 4 or so different clans under one battletome; but they are all very similar in behaviour and designs just with different themes; whilst I feel like Orruks and Cruelboys are very different.


Right now Orruks feels a little like High and Dark elves mashed into one army.
My hope is that they eventually add more models and splinter the Cruelboys off into their own force; or at least follow through on those designs and add more variety to them.

They are the first Ork force in AoS that really feels like its going somewhere new, different, exciting and also more serious/dark in tone.

Time for Space Dinosaurs:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/04/16/sunday-preview-seraphon-tip-the-scales-with-an-awesome-new-army-set/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sunday-preview&utm_content=spreview16042023&fbclid=IwAR2ZKH0DpRR_gGk7b88_v4-wS5uJfQaugXFq4EdMUgpjaWWh1xToqZpGMwo

That cover is really neat!

Also I must resist the temptation to start a lizardman force!!

Dagnabbit!

I’m still not convinced on the Army Set approach.

I know it’s a resurrection from olden times, when most armies got a pre-main release Big Box. But those at least came with an exclusive mini, typically a Battle Standard Bearer.

I'd rather it have an exclusive tome cover than a model exclusive that gets scalped to hell.