Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

That’s a fair point. But why not both 🤣🤣

That answer of course is “plastic models are too expensive to produce for a 2,000 count limited run”.

I'm not always a fan of exclusive models. I don't like that a cool model vanishes from the market or becomes scalped because you weren't a fan of x army in Y year (or a collector of the game even).

So an exclusive book cover and regular models - I'm all for it!

And in the end these days those sets come out pretty close to the regular army release anyway. The only times they haven't were pandemic times where everything was totally wonky.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I'd rather it have an exclusive tome cover than a model exclusive that gets scalped to hell.

Absolutely. A book cover I can do without. A model locked to a box set that then you have to wait a ?? amount of time to buy separately? Awful.

In recent memory, I've had to wait for the Wight King on Steed to finally be sold separately which took 2 years. Vashtorr thankfully only took a few months. Farsight is a big ? at the moment. Remember the Mast of Possessions? Yeah that's still MIA. The inconsistency is beautiful.

Thankfully with launch boxes, they are done when they're done and then the stuff is sold separately.

As it is, I'm thrilled. I've been waiting, no joke or exaggeration, 15 years for this update. I got into Warhammer because of Lizardmen, but even back then I thought the saurus cold one riders were goofy looking. Soon we should have the much cooler Aggradons.

Seraphon army set is £130, €170 ($210 as far as I can tell from similar prices items)

 Overread wrote:
I'm not always a fan of exclusive models. I don't like that a cool model vanishes from the market or becomes scalped because you weren't a fan of x army in Y year (or a collector of the game even).

So an exclusive book cover and regular models - I'm all for it!

And in the end these days those sets come out pretty close to the regular army release anyway. The only times they haven't were pandemic times where everything was totally wonky.

I'm on the same page here; exclusive minis are for events/occasions, not regular releases.

I'll go a step further:
Exclusive minis can screw off entirely.

If they're going to be made available at an event? They can be made available online.

Often are available off the GW website while the event is going.

I love exclusive minis, they feel "special" to me, for want of a better word. They please the collector side of me.

On the other hand, a battletome with an exclusive cover just seems pointless to me. The mini will be useful forever (potentially), whereas the book will be out of date and effectively worthless in a year or two.

I always wonder who buys the limited edition battletome/codexes.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

I always wonder who buys the limited edition battletome/codexes.

I bought the Sisters of Battle release box with its special codex cover, and then still bought the limited edition version as well, and the regular one because it's actually got the best cover. They're just nice things to have. It's like variant covers for comicbooks, utterly pointless when the image is available in the solicits and the colelcted editions, but something just to have.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

I always wonder who buys the limited edition battletome/codexes.

I bought the Sisters of Battle release box with its special codex cover, and then still bought the limited edition version as well, and the regular one because it's actually got the best cover. They're just nice things to have. It's like variant covers for comicbooks, utterly pointless when the image is available in the solicits and the colelcted editions, but something just to have.

I did the same with the Sisters of Battle...I have all of their codices since they came out in 2nd. I also pick up the limited editions when I find them cheap at used book stores and the occasional ebay find. I have about 10 (mostly Chaos themed) limited edition books.

I may get a copy of the upcoming Seraphon box IF my FLGS gets it on preorder and I am either the 1st or 2nd...as they have only been getting 2 of most non-standard releases in the last few months.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

I always wonder who buys the limited edition battletome/codexes.

I bought the Sisters of Battle release box with its special codex cover, and then still bought the limited edition version as well, and the regular one because it's actually got the best cover. They're just nice things to have. It's like variant covers for comicbooks, utterly pointless when the image is available in the solicits and the colelcted editions, but something just to have.

I was going to ask "but why?", but then I though about all of the cool stuff I've bought over the years that doesn't actually do anything, and sudddenly I understand

Interesting rules on the Skink Cav. The melee unit gets +1 to hit units the ranged unit shot, while the ranged unit gets an extra round of shooting if it’s within 12” of one of the melee units that successfully charged something.

 AduroT wrote:
Interesting rules on the Skink Cav. The melee unit gets +1 to hit units the ranged unit shot, while the ranged unit gets an extra round of shooting if it’s within 12” of one of the melee units that successfully charged something.

An interesting concept. I wonder if we'll see other synergies in the book? There's been some classic ones.

Slann + Engine of the Gods
Kroxigor + Skinks
Aggradons + Carnosaur

We already have Chameleon Skinks + Terrorwings that they come with.

Full book leak on the Lizard Facebook, which I assume I’m not allowed to link here.

We at Lustria-Online are also discusing the leaks. I'm not going to share the entire book, but I'm gonna share the unit list and points, hope it doesn't get me into trouble. Do note the lost units.

Your link isn't working, but what are the lost units?

Razordon by the look of it.

 Overread wrote:
Your link isn't working, but what are the lost units?

Fixed, and they just Chic Xulub'd the remaining finecrap models. All of them.

(T/N: The "X" in Chic Xulub sounds like "sh", since is mayan).

 Overread wrote:
Your link isn't working, but what are the lost units?

Saurus knights, razordon, bunch of finecast items.

Poor guys who have big piles of knights as paper weight.

tneva82 wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Your link isn't working, but what are the lost units?

Saurus knights, razordon, bunch of finecast items.

Poor guys who have big piles of knights as paper weight.

Razordon was finecast. All finecast is gone.

I'm just gonna use my 16 Knights as Raptadons now.

 DaveC wrote:
Seraphon army set is £130, €170 ($210 as far as I can tell from similar prices items)

Meh all I like is the frog, I'll wait.

Do we anticipate any more reveals regarding Seraphon? Or did I miss them? Keeping the Saurus Guard kit is a big ooof. Thought for sure that they were on the way out with the other Saurus kits.

I get why, but they’ll probs be lil fellas compared to the new Saurus Warrior hotness.

Had the chameleon skinks previously been eaten by the Hunters of Huanchi, or is that name change new for this book?


edit- ah, I'd forgotten they'd already revealed the replacement for Cold One Knights, the 'Aggradons.' The loss of the knights is more understandable.
A lot of stuff seems like it has a really aggressive point cost attached.


So, the only real survivors (of the WFB models, which lingered in AoS for so very long) are skinks, the pteradon variants, the now really rubbish looking and out of place temple guard and all the big stuff.
Feels weird. It is a pretty massive release, and I like most of the new stuff, but it still feels like they pulled up short of the finish line.

 nels1031 wrote:
Do we anticipate any more reveals regarding Seraphon? Or did I miss them? Keeping the Saurus Guard kit is a big ooof. Thought for sure that they were on the way out with the other Saurus kits..

No. The Adepticon preview was titled "The Full Might and Majesty of the Seraphon is Revealed." The point list/roster feels like a final nail of confirmation.

Not giving new Temple Guard really does feel weird and I expect to see a lot of conversions of the new Saurus to them. Doesn’t really effect me though as I plan to stubbornly return to my old Southlands roots.

 nels1031 wrote:
Do we anticipate any more reveals regarding Seraphon? Or did I miss them? Keeping the Saurus Guard kit is a big ooof. Thought for sure that they were on the way out with the other Saurus kits.

I get why, but they’ll probs be lil fellas compared to the new Saurus Warrior hotness.

Justification is that they are bodyguards. Little spoiler, but the real difference is a better save and precisely a bodyguard rule, and they have more complex armor. I guess they are next in line, more if they want to Jurassic Park Razordons with a plastic kit later in 4th (it's bound to happen, TOW happening and The Great Plan).

tneva82 wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Your link isn't working, but what are the lost units?

Saurus knights, razordon, bunch of finecast items.

Poor guys who have big piles of knights as paper weight.

You mean Aggradon Lancers? They can’t be that bad, surely?

They can always sell to the Old World players though…

 Mr_Rose wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Your link isn't working, but what are the lost units?

Saurus knights, razordon, bunch of finecast items.

Poor guys who have big piles of knights as paper weight.

You mean Aggradon Lancers? They can’t be that bad, surely?

They can always sell to the Old World players though…

Would you claim chaos knights are fine varanguard?

Bigger model, bigger base, wrong unit size...

Are empire knights demigryph knights? Or howabout fulminators?

TBF the Saurus Knight models were commonly regarded as some of GWs worst...

I’d let someone use chaos knights as Varanguard provided they didn’t have other chaos knights that looked the same that were knights , or if they had a suitably different paint scheme.

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
I’d let someone use chaos knights as Varanguard provided they didn’t have other chaos knights that looked the same that were knights , or if they had a suitably different paint scheme.

Keep it reasonable, keep it consistent, and tell your opponent are my three main rules for proxies. First one is subjective, but the second isn’t. It you use something as something else, every instance of it needs to be used as that same something else.