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Not a happy roadmap. 2023 is apparently Lizards and Sigmar, and everything else can go hang. Squat out some campaign books instead, with a vague hint of 'winter' for the next army.

Classic Nurgle lord remake is the standout here, but, wow. Worse than I expected. The preview made me feel bad for AoS.

I'm exactly the opposite. I feel happy and excited for what's to come. I feel more sorry for 40k and the junk tyranids and yet more space marines. And incredibly so for the old world. That was embarassingly bad.

I'm not really enthusiastic about the nids, and the SM burna boys unit is real bad. But as a whole, I'm more interested in what they had on offer for 40k.

And yeah, they shouldn't have bothered with an Old World preview. 'Here's two guys and our unspecified release model is... confusion!'

But I don't see much to come here. GW's campaign books are real bad, and most of these handful of models (bar the Nurgle Lord) are just... ok. Cities (and Seraphon) we already knew about (and i'm not sold on these knights), so this feels equally as phoned in as the TOW stuff.

Again i disagree. Broken Realms was probably one of the more fun and interesting campaign supplements they put out in a long time, as was Thondia. If this new one is up to that quailty, i'll be more than happy.

Voss wrote:
Not a happy roadmap. 2023 is apparently Lizards and Sigmar, and everything else can go hang. Squat out some campaign books instead, with a vague hint of 'winter' for the next army.

Classic Nurgle lord remake is the standout here, but, wow. Worse than I expected. The preview made me feel bad for AoS.

What? I feel exactly the opposite. The evolving narrative has been one of the stand out features of AoS until this edition. It's been a bit flat for a year or so but to see narrative come back to the game in a big way is great.
I really enjoyed the free fiction alongside Dark portents so to see that coming back is also great.

Voss wrote:
I'm not really enthusiastic about the nids, and the SM burna boys unit is real bad. But as a whole, I'm more interested in what they had on offer for 40k.

And yeah, they shouldn't have bothered with an Old World preview. 'Here's two guys and our unspecified release model is... confusion!'

But I don't see much to come here. GW's campaign books are real bad, and most of these handful of models (bar the Nurgle Lord) are just... ok. Cities (and Seraphon) we already knew about (and i'm not sold on these knights), so this feels equally as phoned in as the TOW stuff.

To me it seems (with Arks of Omen and now these however-many parts of Harbingers) that they try to have some sort of 'season pass' model for their physical games, where you pay a couple dozen quid every month for some inconsequential fluff and a handful of pages of optional rules. Not sure i like it.

Tsagualsa wrote:

Voss wrote:
I'm not really enthusiastic about the nids, and the SM burna boys unit is real bad. But as a whole, I'm more interested in what they had on offer for 40k.

And yeah, they shouldn't have bothered with an Old World preview. 'Here's two guys and our unspecified release model is... confusion!'

But I don't see much to come here. GW's campaign books are real bad, and most of these handful of models (bar the Nurgle Lord) are just... ok. Cities (and Seraphon) we already knew about (and i'm not sold on these knights), so this feels equally as phoned in as the TOW stuff.

To me it seems (with Arks of Omen and now these however-many parts of Harbingers) that they try to have some sort of 'season pass' model for their physical games, where you pay a couple dozen quid every month for some inconsequential fluff and a handful of pages of optional rules. Not sure i like it.

That's definitely the impression I get too. That these books are their way to loop people into spending what they think is a reasonable amount. But I honestly don't know anyone who is buying in.

I hate the Gitz box, crammed full of squigs yet again like every other Gitz box, plus this time a Unique unit that you can throw away if you already have a copy.

FEC also the same units again but they kinda don't have any other options, wish they had waited until a later book and maybe gotten a new unit in between.

Tsagualsa wrote:

Voss wrote:
I'm not really enthusiastic about the nids, and the SM burna boys unit is real bad. But as a whole, I'm more interested in what they had on offer for 40k.

And yeah, they shouldn't have bothered with an Old World preview. 'Here's two guys and our unspecified release model is... confusion!'

But I don't see much to come here. GW's campaign books are real bad, and most of these handful of models (bar the Nurgle Lord) are just... ok. Cities (and Seraphon) we already knew about (and i'm not sold on these knights), so this feels equally as phoned in as the TOW stuff.

To me it seems (with Arks of Omen and now these however-many parts of Harbingers) that they try to have some sort of 'season pass' model for their physical games, where you pay a couple dozen quid every month for some inconsequential fluff and a handful of pages of optional rules. Not sure i like it.

Yep, with the added 'bonus' that the DLC doesn't stick. Its (quietly, in small print) advertised as bound for the dumpster after a month or two. Its such a weird, unacceptably exploitative rules model.
I'm not so bored with the game that I need new layers added every few weeks so its 'fresh.'

Voss wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

Voss wrote:
I'm not really enthusiastic about the nids, and the SM burna boys unit is real bad. But as a whole, I'm more interested in what they had on offer for 40k.

And yeah, they shouldn't have bothered with an Old World preview. 'Here's two guys and our unspecified release model is... confusion!'

But I don't see much to come here. GW's campaign books are real bad, and most of these handful of models (bar the Nurgle Lord) are just... ok. Cities (and Seraphon) we already knew about (and i'm not sold on these knights), so this feels equally as phoned in as the TOW stuff.

To me it seems (with Arks of Omen and now these however-many parts of Harbingers) that they try to have some sort of 'season pass' model for their physical games, where you pay a couple dozen quid every month for some inconsequential fluff and a handful of pages of optional rules. Not sure i like it.

Yep, with the added 'bonus' that the DLC doesn't stick. Its (quietly, in small print) advertised as bound for the dumpster after a month or two. Its such a weird, unacceptably exploitative rules model.
I'm not so bored with the game that I need new layers added every few weeks so its 'fresh.'

I'm in a weird place in my attitude towards that. Somehow, if it came as one big, sprawling campaign book with stuff for all forces, art, new models and so on, and the corresponding price tag, i'd have no conceptual problem with that. But the decision to sell it in installments, with expensive collector's editions etc. to catch the completionists and the FOMO people, it reeks of exploitation.

So... The Season of War books are seemingly discontinued.

Voss wrote:
Not a happy roadmap. 2023 is apparently Lizards and Sigmar, and everything else can go hang. Squat out some campaign books instead, with a vague hint of 'winter' for the next army.

Classic Nurgle lord remake is the standout here, but, wow. Worse than I expected. The preview made me feel bad for AoS.

This reads like a 4chan post. You in the wrong tab Voss?

JSG wrote:

Voss wrote:
Not a happy roadmap. 2023 is apparently Lizards and Sigmar, and everything else can go hang. Squat out some campaign books instead, with a vague hint of 'winter' for the next army.

Classic Nurgle lord remake is the standout here, but, wow. Worse than I expected. The preview made me feel bad for AoS.

This reads like a 4chan post. You in the wrong tab Voss?

Sorry if I'm not suitably enthusiastic for your personal taste. I've never been to your '4chan,' so I can't really speak to that.

I was more thinking of things like the people who were so excited for Flesh-Eater Courts and they got... a guy.
Lizards demonstrably got a big release this year. Sigmar will get something, but it isn't clear how much. The winter army book may well be next year. If you are looking forward to a couple hero sculpts and a giant pig over the next 8 months, feel free to be excited for that. I'm not.

Apology accepted.

I don't doubt to claim that plastic Lord of Nurgle is the model of the event and is a contender for model of the year. Best of all is that it has a choice of heads and weapons.

Big Pig is the second closest of this day, and I have to think about wher I'd place it alongside the Neurotyrant from yesterday.

Horses are way better then whatever Bretonnia minus Green Knight will ever have, and the only model I'd say is weak is the Fyreslayer Exile, but that might be because I don't even play them and I'm already sick and tired of them getting heroes.

Voss wrote:

JSG wrote:

Voss wrote:
Not a happy roadmap. 2023 is apparently Lizards and Sigmar, and everything else can go hang. Squat out some campaign books instead, with a vague hint of 'winter' for the next army.

Classic Nurgle lord remake is the standout here, but, wow. Worse than I expected. The preview made me feel bad for AoS.

This reads like a 4chan post. You in the wrong tab Voss?

Sorry if I'm not suitably enthusiastic for your personal taste. I've never been to your '4chan,' so I can't really speak to that.

I was more thinking of things like the people who were so excited for Flesh-Eater Courts and they got... a guy.
Lizards demonstrably got a big release this year. Sigmar will get something, but it isn't clear how much. The winter army book may well be next year. If you are looking forward to a couple hero sculpts and a giant pig over the next 8 months, feel free to be excited for that. I'm not.

I mean, they said they will release models for 12 factions, and FEC already have a Warcry band.

I think partly what we are seeing is GW having to scale back production or at best allocate it to 40K releasing .

Sooo...orc mounts have sponsons now? Weird choice. I wonder if you can build the pig without the sponsons.

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
I think partly what we are seeing is GW having to scale back production or at best allocate it to 40K releasing .

No, I think it's more to do with that there's only one tome left until the edition is complete. So the next load of releases will be supplement based or a new army. Which is unlikely to be seen until the next edition.

Bob Lorgar wrote:
Sooo...orc mounts have sponsons now? Weird choice. I wonder if you can build the pig without the sponsons.

Looks like they will be very easy to leave off if there isn't an option not to have them, there is a metal platform that's bolted to the bone supports running down the model, leave the platform off and the bone shouldn't look out of place on it's own and then you get a bonus 2 Brutes.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
I think partly what we are seeing is GW having to scale back production or at best allocate it to 40K releasing .

No, I think it's more to do with that there's only one tome left until the edition is complete. So the next load of releases will be supplement based or a new army. Which is unlikely to be seen until the next edition.

It's parallel to Arks of Omen really: some flavor/campaign books that drive the narrative in preparation for the next edition, but probably in a less cramped time frame.

Given that the ghouls are going to be stuffed in a "Boarding Patrol" style box with a special character (which is still the dumbest thing) I'm not inclined to believe that they will be getting a redo if new FEC drops.

Which, really, they are the ones that absolutely should be getting new models. Oh well.

Those CoS Cavalier are pretty damn awesome.

Think I dig all of the AoS/Warfry previews, aside from the Fyreslayer because they already have enough foot heroes. Cool mini, but damn, give us some new units.

Looking forward to the new campaign books!

Overall, I’m satisfied with the AoS previews and feel they might’ve stolen the show.

 nels1031 wrote:

Think I dig all of the AoS/Warfry previews, aside from the Fyreslayer because they already have enough foot heroes. Cool mini, but damn, give us some new units.

Go to agree. It's nice that they get support, honestly way more than Flesheaters in terms of heroes. But darn it GW could throw them a bone and give them some new infantry or a mounted cavalry unit or a beast or weapon or something!

Is it wrong of me to like those CoS Cavaliers so much I'm thinking to use them as an old Dogs of War unit in Warhammer the Old World? Volands Venators I think was the unit.

Also that Nurgle guy on horseback, wow, stunning. Gives me vibes of that old painting Death Dealer by Frank Frazetta.

 Overread wrote:

 nels1031 wrote:

Think I dig all of the AoS/Warfry previews, aside from the Fyreslayer because they already have enough foot heroes. Cool mini, but damn, give us some new units.

Go to agree. It's nice that they get support, honestly way more than Flesheaters in terms of heroes. But darn it GW could throw them a bone and give them some new infantry or a mounted cavalry unit or a beast or weapon or something!

If there was a Q&A after the AOS stream, I really hope someone asked that - I mean, I know they're not Elves, so they're automatically out of favour with the Studio, but even so...

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
I think partly what we are seeing is GW having to scale back production or at best allocate it to 40K releasing .

Also...edition is about done. 2/3 missing books shown.

Do we want mk2 books of 3e just before 4th happens?

Heh. We have people complaining too many books and too few books.

I still can’t believe that they thought Fyreslayers needed yet another foot hero. It’s probably the best if the Fyreslayers foot heroes tbf, but at this point it almost feels like they’re mocking us.

You'll take your Totally-Not-A-Slayer and you'll like it!

 ImAGeek wrote:
I still can’t believe that they thought Fyreslayers needed yet another foot hero. It’s probably the best if the Fyreslayers foot heroes tbf, but at this point it almost feels like they’re mocking us.

Im not playing fyreslayers, but I fully agree -those were my exact thoughts on seeing the model.

Guess better if instead of fs hero stormcast hero? Idoneth hero? Sylvaneth hero? Cos hero?