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Another nice CoS unit!
I particularly like the dual-wielding Lady(?) Captain:-

 GaroRobe wrote:
What’s with the weird creatures all over the CoS bases? Are they secretly in the chaos wastes?

Also more braziers are very welcome

The realms are named after the winds of magic for a reason.

I hope we get non human models soon, like the ogor. It makes sense duardin aren’t included here since the shields are too tall. Though a duardin ammo runner would have been fun albeit slow

 GaroRobe wrote:
What’s with the weird creatures all over the CoS bases? Are they secretly in the chaos wastes?

Also more braziers are very welcome

Once you get any distance outside the walls of a city, you are basically in the chaos wastes. The whole premise of the game is that chaos controlled pretty much everything for about 500 years and still control most of it. The dawnbringer crusades are heading out into that to try tame some of it.

 aku-chan wrote:
Another nice CoS unit!
I particularly like the dual-wielding Lady(?) Captain:-

That symbol is... dangerous.

Which did you have in mind? The portcullis or the clover?

I'm not too knowledgeably about AoS lore specifics, why are these guys seemingly less advanced then WHFB Empire were or the Freeguilds? If these were like poor pilgrim warriors than I could perhaps understand it, but the elaborate metalwork and uniforms and all that don't really fit with that idea. I don't really get why they've gone backwards from flintlocks and such to Culverins with these models.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Which did you have in mind? The portcullis or the clover?

The portcullis is unfortunately pretty close to the 'St Michaels Cross', the symbol of the Romanian 'Iron Legions', i.e. Romanian Nazis. Not only in form, but also in colour combination. Not something that was intended obviously, but still not something i'd want to display.

Seriously dude, it's a green portcullis. Not everything needs politics shoved into it.

Tsagualsa wrote:


The portcullis is unfortunately pretty close to the 'St Michaels Cross', the symbol of the Romanian 'Iron Legions', i.e. Romanian Nazis. Not only in form, but also in colour combination. Not something that was intended obviously, but still not something i'd want to display.

A green portcullis has been used as the emblem of the British parliament since the 12th century.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I'm not too knowledgeably about AoS lore specifics, why are these guys seemingly less advanced then WHFB Empire were or the Freeguilds? If these were like poor pilgrim warriors than I could perhaps understand it, but the elaborate metalwork and uniforms and all that don't really fit with that idea. I don't really get why they've gone backwards from flintlocks and such to Culverins with these models.

Perhaps they are easier and quicker to produce in the vast quantities needed?

It is a bit weird, not going to lie.

 nels1031 wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I'm not too knowledgeably about AoS lore specifics, why are these guys seemingly less advanced then WHFB Empire were or the Freeguilds? If these were like poor pilgrim warriors than I could perhaps understand it, but the elaborate metalwork and uniforms and all that don't really fit with that idea. I don't really get why they've gone backwards from flintlocks and such to Culverins with these models.

Perhaps they are easier and quicker to produce in the vast quantities needed?

It is a bit weird, not going to lie.

I don't think something like that really makes make much sense when they clearly took the time and resources to make sure they've got elaborate metalwork on their shields and are all wearing matching decorated uniforms consisting of more substantial armour than Empire solidiers had. Going through the effort for all that but then skimping out on their weapons.

For sure, definitely a weird design decision.

I still like it a lot, for what its worth.

There was an apocalypse or two.

I think of it as ease of use and/or reliability. A culverin is basic as it gets, allowing you to train basically anyone on it.

I think the simple answer is that empire troops were made for a different game and were kept for AOS until new models were able to replace them.

Though given how advanced kharadron are, and that mechanical limbs exist in AOS for humans, it still feels a bit weird. Especially since some realms like chamon are probably more techy

mushybees wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:


The portcullis is unfortunately pretty close to the 'St Michaels Cross', the symbol of the Romanian 'Iron Legions', i.e. Romanian Nazis. Not only in form, but also in colour combination. Not something that was intended obviously, but still not something i'd want to display.

A green portcullis has been used as the emblem of the British parliament since the 12th century.

The Warcry warband Iron Golems uses nearly the same symbol also, but inverted.
I don't think there's anything nefarious about it.

 GaroRobe wrote:
I think the simple answer is that empire troops were made for a different game and were kept for AOS until new models were able to replace them.

Though given how advanced kharadron are, and that mechanical limbs exist in AOS for humans, it still feels a bit weird. Especially since some realms like chamon are probably more techy

Cities of Sigmar also have freaking Cogforts. The tech level of these guns doesn't fit with existing tech levels of the cities.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
I think the simple answer is that empire troops were made for a different game and were kept for AOS until new models were able to replace them.

Though given how advanced kharadron are, and that mechanical limbs exist in AOS for humans, it still feels a bit weird. Especially since some realms like chamon are probably more techy

Cities of Sigmar also have freaking Cogforts. The tech level of these guns doesn't fit with existing tech levels of the cities.

By this logic the average real world squadie should be some Deus Ex cyborg.

Not sure why you'd get a pavise and then make the top half open scrollwork..?


The more I look at them, the more I feel like the designer(s) should just chill out a bit. There's a awful lot going on with them

JSG wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
I think the simple answer is that empire troops were made for a different game and were kept for AOS until new models were able to replace them.

Though given how advanced kharadron are, and that mechanical limbs exist in AOS for humans, it still feels a bit weird. Especially since some realms like chamon are probably more techy

Cities of Sigmar also have freaking Cogforts. The tech level of these guns doesn't fit with existing tech levels of the cities.

By this logic the average real world squadie should be some Deus Ex cyborg.

Not really, whilst we've made huge advances, we are still a long way off.

But its more like a real world squadie in the UK or USA military today using a flintlock gun.

Yes it works, yes its a gun, yes its a lot simpler than your regular standard issue rile/gun of today. However its still a less refined design that will underperform compared to more modern weaponary.


Again the actual model itself looks fantastic and fine; the concept of it is also great; its just the disparity between the tech level that we see in Lore and artwork and stories and all and the tech level in the model itself. It's a disconnect that makes me think that the design team perhaps got left in the dark or its just that as GW started CoS work without a huge amount of lore/artwork; the sculptors went their own way and this is just one where they leaned on the older look of the Old World lore and designs more htan the AOS




Lore wise though we can probably cover it with them using some kind of super powerful black powder and magic mix that makes them super deadly to big heavy targets (which I'm guessing is what they are for) and makes them viable as options over other gun designs that might be more refind but would shatter with the power of the blast.

 GaroRobe wrote:
I think the simple answer is that empire troops were made for a different game and were kept for AOS until new models were able to replace them.

Though given how advanced kharadron are, and that mechanical limbs exist in AOS for humans, it still feels a bit weird. Especially since some realms like chamon are probably more techy

That doesn't mean that flintlocks and similar weapons aren't a thing anymore though, those miniatures despite originally being WHFB were still made as much a part of the setting as other stuff is and it's not like we haven't seen them mentioned or outright shown in AoS before.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

The more I look at them, the more I feel like the designer(s) should just chill out a bit. There's a awful lot going on with them

Feels that way with a lot of AoS stuff really. Got to be elaborate busy overtly fantasy everything.

The pavise handgonners are okay-ish, but the best model is once again a semi civilian one

Personaly I don't like the new primative firearms - as others have said, there are no reasons - religious or political that the military tech would not be advancing - especially since they have a pwoerful idustrial base intergrated with the Dwarfs or various kinds.

If they were some cut off city at the start of the Age etc then it would work better but....for me they just don;t make sense.

I really like those handcannons.

Only problem is that they should included second guy to carry that shieldbulwark.

mushybees wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:


The portcullis is unfortunately pretty close to the 'St Michaels Cross', the symbol of the Romanian 'Iron Legions', i.e. Romanian Nazis. Not only in form, but also in colour combination. Not something that was intended obviously, but still not something i'd want to display.

A green portcullis has been used as the emblem of the British parliament since the 12th century.

They should definitely rethink its use here then.

 Sotahullu wrote:
I really like those handcannons.

Only problem is that they should included second guy to carry that shieldbulwark.

Disagree! They should have explained them better though.

There's a stakepost on the bulwarks, alongside of weighted chains. Once dug in?

You're not running away.

GaroRobe wrote:What’s with the weird creatures all over the CoS bases? Are they secretly in the chaos wastes?

Also more braziers are very welcome

Looks like your average Mordheim fish.

Confirmed Mordheim re-release coming next year!

There is a lot of talk here about the technology of CoS.
First of all, they might not have the money to arm every man with the latest weapon. Do you all drive teslas here?
I mean... the basic unit has plain axes and shields.
And you are saying that they have Cogforts and stuff. Do you have any idea what the Imperium has in 40k?
And the imperial guards look exactly like soldiers look now. Even though it's 38.000 years later!

I really don't know if I can get behind a pavise that's 60% shield and 40% empty air. That's firmly on the stupid side of questionable functionality. GW sculptors should put more effort into getting models on the quirky side instead. That's where Warhammer gets its charm. I wish the sculptors had a better understanding of this.