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Really hoping that rumour of new Ironjawz kits being released being true. Ironjawz and Bonesplitterz really feel underwhelming as a range compared to what Kruleboyz got, would be nice for both to get a bit of an expansion or refresh.

No idea how that happened but apperantly somebody found a new Flesh Eater Courts sprue at a car boot sale for £1.
Also a new Bretonnian Pegasus? posted over on the Old World thread
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 Grimskul wrote:
Really hoping that rumour of new Ironjawz kits being released being true. Ironjawz and Bonesplitterz really feel underwhelming as a range compared to what Kruleboyz got, would be nice for both to get a bit of an expansion or refresh.

It would line up with a rough timeframe of IJ turning out to be popular, prompting some investment from GW to get them more kits.

For my part I'm surprised the resin bonesplitterz characters haven't been replaced yet.

Matrindur wrote:No idea how that happened but apperantly somebody found a new Flesh Eater Courts sprue at a car boot sale for £1.
Also a new Bretonnian Pegasus? posted over on the Old World thread

Very nice! At last FEC seem to get some more variety. Halberds are a solid choice, giving them some options in gameplay terms as well as easily differentiating the units on the table.

"Car boot sale" though... sure.

NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:
Really hoping that rumour of new Ironjawz kits being released being true. Ironjawz and Bonesplitterz really feel underwhelming as a range compared to what Kruleboyz got, would be nice for both to get a bit of an expansion or refresh.

It would line up with a rough timeframe of IJ turning out to be popular, prompting some investment from GW to get them more kits.

For my part I'm surprised the resin bonesplitterz characters haven't been replaced yet.

It really feels like initially Ironjawz just sold better, with them getting their own line probably helping a lot. The old "give support, get more sales".

Bonesplitterz had... rules. Some of their old characters were not only Finecast, but also atrocious sculpts. Combine that with a lack of any real attention in terms of rules, models or background, and their sales being poor is no surprise.

So doubling down on the success is, once again, the way to go for GW. I just hope I can use some of the new models for TOW.

How did that get out there? I wonder if they’ll keep the old ghouls as a kind of peasant unit and add these new ones as more of a men at arms.

Also more on the Orruk and Gitz release in September again from TGA

Later in September for Orruks:

Tuskboss on Maw-Grunta
Zoggrok Anvilsmasha - Megaboss or Megaboss-sized model on foot
New Ardboyz
Ardboy Big Boss
Weirdbrute Wrekkaz

Gloomspite Gitz:
Rabble-Rowza separate release
Trugg's Great Troggherd - similar box to the recent Dawnbringers box with a mix of new and old models

Ardboyz and Boss makes sense another Megaboss on foot though need to see the mini and looks like another shaman type but Wrekkaz implies plural?

Septembers going to be expensive!

 DaveC wrote:
How did that get out there? I wonder if they’ll keep the old ghouls as a kind of peasant unit and add these new ones as more of a men at arms.

yes those new ghouls have a more "trusted retainers/men-at-arms" look, I could see them keeping the current ones as peasants. They have a banner! Apparently Flesh Eater courts are getting a decent release in the future, great to see them and IJ getting good expansions to their ranges - a lot of the early factions are really restricted with their choices. Going to be interesting to see how they shape up with new units and hopefully more factions get similar expansions..

Either those sprue are seeded by the GW Leaks department or someone has been stealing from their rubbish/stocks bin again (which has happened before, apparently those Eldar coins that flooded ebay a while back and likely a bunch of FW models too were from when there was a sewage spill that flooded part of the warehouse and some staff didn't throw everything out

 DaveC wrote:
How did that get out there? I wonder if they’ll keep the old ghouls as a kind of peasant unit and add these new ones as more of a men at arms.

I hope so. I think I even ranted about that before. Flesheater Courts need expansion more than replacements, and ghouls with more gear that marks them as sitting higher in the feudal hierarchy is very welcome as far as I'm concerned.

Honestly the ghoul models are old for the FEC. They could do with replacements to modernise many of their core models - heck a new dragon and terrorgast too - and then ontop of that add extra things.

Best of both worlds

It looks like some royal guard unit. Since hallbardiers disappeared from Cities of Sigmar, I guess that's why the Flesh-Eater Courts got them. They went the way of bretonnians.

 Overread wrote:
Honestly the ghoul models are old for the FEC. They could do with replacements to modernise many of their core models - heck a new dragon and terrorgast too - and then ontop of that add extra things.

Best of both worlds

Depends on what size an update GW commits to. If it's either or, the old models can keep doing their job while the army is expanded in size to actually have some variety. If GW wanted to throw out ten or more kits in one go, sure, replacements wouldn't go amiss.

I'm just not sure that Flesheater Courts will get a sizable update right after Cities get a big one, and with a lot of resources tied up by Marines and Tyranids.

 Overread wrote:
Honestly the ghoul models are old for the FEC. They could do with replacements to modernise many of their core models - heck a new dragon and terrorgast too - and then ontop of that add extra things.

Best of both worlds

But is it realistic to expect...

We know the horror/flayer kit won't be going anywhere.

Sure these replacing ghouls AND more units would be welcome but if it comes down to new units OR replacement I'll take new units any day for FEC.

I'd be surprised to see a new zombie dragon/gheist kit, as the current one is also multiple units in the Soulblight army list.

That would be feasible as it could just provide same results.

But then again is that kit really that bad looking to need new kit? How much better it could become to really compensate for the price hike revamp would result?

Third monster variant along it?

Entirely new kit would be far ahead in my wish list for sure.

(well okay less PITA to assemble would be nice but maybe I take cheaper kit to buy instead)

I wouldn't mind at all a new true zombie dragon plastic kit, instead of the somewhat wyvern ghoulish thing we actually have.

tneva82 wrote:
But then again is that kit really that bad looking to need new kit? How much better it could become to really compensate for the price hike revamp would result

Compared to recent monster releases for AoS, it's pretty gnarly. Doesn't help that is has the most ridiculous set of tactical rocks ever.

The irony of finding both FEC and Bret's in the same place is highly amusing.

But nice to see those FEC rumours have been proven right

Also a new zombiedragon/terrorgast kit (either one or two) would also count as updated models for Soulblight. Indeed I was suprised it wasn't updated for them considering almost everything else got updated.

Considering how its a fairly big model the fact that GW doesn't really show it off all that much I think speaks volumes for how old it is compared to the more modern designs.

 Gert wrote:
I'd be surprised to see a new zombie dragon/gheist kit, as the current one is also multiple units in the Soulblight army list.

The only Terrorgheist in Soulblight is the unridden variant. I don't think it unfeasible for them to just axe it from Soulblight or replace it with a Skeleton Dragon option.

Also? There's a lot of waste for Soulblight. Build a Terrorgheist and you can't build a Vampire Lord, just a Ghoul King on foot to go with it.

A new kit could be done ala the Mega-Gargants, with a "base" sprue building any of the monsters while having FEC and Soulblight specific rider sprues.

 Kanluwen wrote:
The only Terrorgheist in Soulblight is the unbidden variant. I don't think it unfeasible for them to just axe it from Soulblight or replace it with a Skeleton Dragon option.

Right, apart from the bit where the gheist kit is the dragon kit, and removing one removes both.

So either both units get redone at the same time as separate kits, which I would argue is unlikely, or as a dual kit between armies, which to my knowledge hasn't happened in AoS outside of important characters like Kragnos, Archaon, or Gotrek.
Death as a whole is still suffering from being carved out of Vampire Counts IMO.

It's crazy to think that almost everything in the Death was once a single army in Old World.

Even Ossiarchs and Nighthaunt are two themes started in Vampires split out with new models.


I'd argue Nighthaunt are in the best possition right now.

Soulblight and Ossiarchs are joint second place for different reasons
Soulblight because the update added a lot of new great models, but a few old hangers on - eg the Mortis Engine, Zombie Cart and a few others are showing their age (and one build option for the Mortis looks strange with it having ghostly horses and such when Ghosts are not featured anywhere else in the army)

Ossiarchs are all new models, their weakness is just being new and not having had a second wave of models to bulk them out with more diversity.

Then you've Flesheaters at the bottom suffering with both a lack of model diversity and a high proportion of old outdated sculpts.



That said I'd say Death is in a better position than Destruction. Death feels like GW know where to take each army; has designers able and skilled to do it and its just a matter of time.

Destruction feels like GW aren't really sure what they are doing with it.
Orruks have so little in world identity that they've actually lost almost all their Old World style and are now almost perfect copy-cats of 40K Orks.
They've also got an army that is kind of split visually - the new Grim-orruks I felt were a great direction and style and were harkening back to proper scary dark orks; and then they mashed htem into the regular Orruk army. I kind of feel like they should have had them entirely on their own. Let the Grimkin be an entire army unto their own right with their own style of models, army, lore and such.

The only army in Destruction that feels like its got drive, direction and such behind it are the Gloomspite Gits.

 Gert wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
The only Terrorgheist in Soulblight is the unbidden variant. I don't think it unfeasible for them to just axe it from Soulblight or replace it with a Skeleton Dragon option.

Right, apart from the bit where the gheist kit is the dragon kit, and removing one removes both.
So either both units get redone at the same time as separate kits, which I would argue is unlikely, or as a dual kit between armies, which to my knowledge hasn't happened in AoS outside of important characters like Kragnos, Archaon, or Gotrek.

There's another option too...that Terrorgheists just get dropped from Soulblight Gravelords and something else gets added in their place. There's always room for Skeleton Dragons.

Like I said though, the current kit is kinda wasteful for Gravelords. There's no foot option for Gravelords, no dedicated components for Vhordrai(the only named Kastelai character), and there really isn't too much difference between how the "giant bat" Terrorgheist and Zombie Dragon look beyond paint jobs and a few parts on the head.

Death as a whole is still suffering from being carved out of Vampire Counts IMO.

They are doing better than Wood Elves and High Elves did.

 Overread wrote:
Either those sprue are seeded by the GW Leaks department or someone has been stealing from their rubbish/stocks bin again (which has happened before, apparently those Eldar coins that flooded ebay a while back and likely a bunch of FW models too were from when there was a sewage spill that flooded part of the warehouse and some staff didn't throw everything out

According to Peachy, there's a bin in the factory where sprues that don't meet QC are tossed and employees are freely allowed to dig in and take them home for personal projects. Most likely where these come from and the person decided to sell them on.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Either those sprue are seeded by the GW Leaks department or someone has been stealing from their rubbish/stocks bin again (which has happened before, apparently those Eldar coins that flooded ebay a while back and likely a bunch of FW models too were from when there was a sewage spill that flooded part of the warehouse and some staff didn't throw everything out

According to Peachy, there's a bin in the factory where sprues that don't meet QC are tossed and employees are freely allowed to dig in and take them home for personal projects. Most likely where these come from and the person decided to sell them on.

Yeah he implied that a small number of staff members made a little side income from getting those free sprues to sell on.

Also given how long it often is between studio folks getting models and them actually being released, I can definitely see scope for geniune mistakes when it comes to things like this. Not everyone in the design team will have the full release schedule memorised, and may well assume a model is already available when they go to clear out all the FEC sprues from their cupboard.

 Overread wrote:
It's crazy to think that almost everything in the Death was once a single army in Old World.

Even Ossiarchs and Nighthaunt are two themes started in Vampires split out with new models.


I'd argue Nighthaunt are in the best possition right now.

Soulblight and Ossiarchs are joint second place for different reasons
Soulblight because the update added a lot of new great models, but a few old hangers on - eg the Mortis Engine, Zombie Cart and a few others are showing their age (and one build option for the Mortis looks strange with it having ghostly horses and such when Ghosts are not featured anywhere else in the army)

Ossiarchs are all new models, their weakness is just being new and not having had a second wave of models to bulk them out with more diversity.

Then you've Flesheaters at the bottom suffering with both a lack of model diversity and a high proportion of old outdated sculpts.


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Last time I played aos death was a combined arms legions of nagash army. Would be cool if there was an option to do that again

Honestly, of the current core kits I think the Vhargulf and the Crypt Ghouls are the models that truly need replacing. The rest could easily stay on for a couple of more years. The Crypt Horrors and Flayers, along with the dragons are fine kits as is even if they were originally done for an olders system.

 xttz wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Either those sprue are seeded by the GW Leaks department or someone has been stealing from their rubbish/stocks bin again (which has happened before, apparently those Eldar coins that flooded ebay a while back and likely a bunch of FW models too were from when there was a sewage spill that flooded part of the warehouse and some staff didn't throw everything out

According to Peachy, there's a bin in the factory where sprues that don't meet QC are tossed and employees are freely allowed to dig in and take them home for personal projects. Most likely where these come from and the person decided to sell them on.

Yeah he implied that a small number of staff members made a little side income from getting those free sprues to sell on.

Also given how long it often is between studio folks getting models and them actually being released, I can definitely see scope for geniune mistakes when it comes to things like this. Not everyone in the design team will have the full release schedule memorised, and may well assume a model is already available when they go to clear out all the FEC sprues from their cupboard.

Could also be that with LI delayed someone was told to "lose" a few things to get people talking about something else.

Has the person posted any better pics yet? Like close-ups of the faces, etc?

Given that they allegedly bought it and aren't an employee leaking it, I hope they'd post more photos

 GaroRobe wrote:
Has the person posted any better pics yet? Like close-ups of the faces, etc?

Given that they allegedly bought it and aren't an employee leaking it, I hope they'd post more photos

Here's a link to some better pictures, they're closer and clearer.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ageofsigmar/comments/15psk3c/comment/jw1dlhv/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Looking super spanky!