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It’s doesn’t matter if before the curse they were no Lilith or not.

If the think they are noble knights, they should act like it.

Models striking a noble pose, ghouls riding some kind of abomination like they are on top of a warhorse, or some kind of banner bearer waving rags of a desiccated corpse rather than the awe inspiring banner in his head - something.

Most of the range are unarmed ghouls acting like unarmed ghouls.

Obviously this is because they are using old models, but given how old the army is I think that excuse is wearing thin.

What "excuse"? That despite how they think they're acting they actually act like ghouls? That's a huge amount of their fluff. It's a delusion, not a pantomime.

Article up for the Freeguild Knight kit. Looks pretty good if I do say so myself.

It's a shame they don't have lances.

 Gallahad wrote:
It's a shame they don't have lances.

That is a weird omission with this kit. Otherwise its pretty awesome.

<conspiracy>They don't have lances so the models can't be used as Empire knights in The Old World!!11!1! </conspiracy>

But seriously, it's a nice kit and I may have to pick up a box for painting.

 Platuan4th wrote:
What "excuse"? That despite how they think they're acting they actually act like ghouls? That's a huge amount of their fluff. It's a delusion, not a pantomime.

Not my comment you are responding to but it hits close to my opinion of the FEC.

The thing is, at least for me, the models don't show us their delusion. So they are just ghouls doing ghoul-y things. Also, delusional people can and do act out those delusions, so maybe the models could reflect that? It is interesting from a fluff standpoint but it falls kinda flat from a model standpoint. Again, in my opinion. I think the models should let us see that delusion more, and they mostly do not.

 Taarnak wrote:
The thing is, at least for me, the models don't show us their delusion. So they are just ghouls doing ghoul-y things.

Which, again, is what most of the non-Ghoul denizens of the realm see when interacting with the Flesh Eaters. So the board is an accurate representation as to what the battlefield looks like.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Taarnak wrote:
The thing is, at least for me, the models don't show us their delusion. So they are just ghouls doing ghoul-y things.

Which, again, is what most of the non-Ghoul denizens of the realm see when interacting with the Flesh Eaters. So the board is an accurate representation as to what the battlefield looks like.

At the same time models have to visually tell a story that connects with their lore so that the two work together. Right now the current FEC models don't really tell much o fa story at all; in fact the only one that does was a limited edition one.

 KidCthulhu wrote:
<conspiracy>They don't have lances so the models can't be used as Empire knights in The Old World!!11!1! </conspiracy>

But seriously, it's a nice kit and I may have to pick up a box for painting.

It is a bummer because lance bits and associated arm poses are hard to round up.

 Platuan4th wrote:
What "excuse"? That despite how they think they're acting they actually act like ghouls? That's a huge amount of their fluff. It's a delusion, not a pantomime.

Don Quixote was deluded that he was a knight. He acted like a knight.

The guy from shutter island was delusional that he was send to investigate. He behaved like a cop.

A ghoul with delusions of being a noble knight, but acts like a normal ghouls sounds more like a misdiagnosis rather than a big part of their fluff, no?

Grail Seeker wrote:

A ghoul with delusions of being a noble knight, but acts like a normal ghouls sounds more like a misdiagnosis rather than a big part of their fluff, no?

Tell that to GW, because that's how they write it.

I think what really happened is that they made Ghouls and Ghoul-adjacent models into its own faction, came up with the interesting FEC lore, but haven't devoted the resources to models that reinforce that new lore yet.

That’s exactly what happened. I don’t know why some are bending over backwards to make the Vampire Counts models fit the new lore. They very obviously don’t.

FEC have be sue for a refresh since the beginning, I wish they would finally get it.

Did I miss something, or did they not delve into the "duardin and aelven armies" that the Sunday Preview teased? I guess they could be articles tomorrow tho

 GaroRobe wrote:
Did I miss something, or did they not delve into the "duardin and aelven armies" that the Sunday Preview teased? I guess they could be articles tomorrow tho

I think it was part of the "Orders" bit.

I hope not. I was hoping for some lore dumps or at least examples of how duardin and aelves work in AOS, not just a single line that "non-humans get some orders too"

 KidCthulhu wrote:
I think what really happened is that they made Ghouls and Ghoul-adjacent models into its own faction, came up with the interesting FEC lore, but haven't devoted the resources to models that reinforce that new lore yet.

That bit of lore isn't new and wasn't originated in AoS. Some Strigoi going crazy and passing their delusion of their pre-fall court lifestyle on to their ghouls was already a thing in WHFB and WHFRP.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 KidCthulhu wrote:
I think what really happened is that they made Ghouls and Ghoul-adjacent models into its own faction, came up with the interesting FEC lore, but haven't devoted the resources to models that reinforce that new lore yet.

That bit of lore isn't new and wasn't originated in AoS. Strigoi going crazy and passing their delusion of their pre-fall court lifestyle on to their ghouls was already a thing in WHFB and WHFRP.

Yep, the key difference is in Old World it was a subfaction/subunit theme. In AoS it became the identity of a whole faction.

Honestly in the few AoS stories I've read that touch on them it makes for a great twisted dark element to their tale. I loved reading the duality in something like Ghoul Slayer.
GW does indeed just need to bring that "flare" to the story telling into the models for the army. I think they can do that; I think they want to do that; we are just waiting for them to do it.

I forgot all about the Strigoi. It seems like forever since they were in the game.

It looks like they're bringing the delusion element in with the new models/kits coming with the battletome based on the leaked new unit sprue, some of them seem to have random bits of armor, they have a drummer and bannerman. They also have actual (albeit decrepit) weapons.

I Imagine as a part of their particular delusion they see themselves as some noble men at arms or soldiers marching off to war and based on what we've seen of the sprue I feel like the models seem to represent that reasonably well.

Yeah, you could take the FeC fluff/faction identity and just put it on any other model range and 9 out of 10 times get a better fluff-model representation.

All I know is it's easier to convert delusion elements onto a FEC mini than it would be to remove them.

Finally:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/08/20/sunday-preview-carve-out-a-new-realm-for-humanity-with-the-cities-of-sigmar/

Also confirms that rumour monger about release dates. So should by the Tyranid stuff after.

Have we seen close ups of those transfer sheets? In some preview article I missed perhaps?

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
All I know is it's easier to convert delusion elements onto a FEC mini than it would be to remove them.

I've actually yet to find any good converted FEC that look like they are pretending at being Bretonnian or whatever - got any links/suggestions? Its been something I've wanted to do with my own FEC army but haven't found good inspiration for it yet.

Mixing basic Cawdor gangers with various undead bits and pieces works really well for ghouls with a sense of fashion.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
All I know is it's easier to convert delusion elements onto a FEC mini than it would be to remove them.

I've actually yet to find any good converted FEC that look like they are pretending at being Bretonnian or whatever - got any links/suggestions? Its been something I've wanted to do with my own FEC army but haven't found good inspiration for it yet.

The Ravenous Pilgrims are cool





https://www.realmofplastic.com/hobby-blog/skirmish-warband-the-ravenous-pilgrims-part-2

 GaroRobe wrote:
The Ravenous Pilgrims are cool

Spoiler:

https://www.realmofplastic.com/hobby-blog/skirmish-warband-the-ravenous-pilgrims-part-2

Hell, yeah! Of course, whatever GW releases now will look kinda crappy by comparison.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
The Ravenous Pilgrims are cool

Hell, yeah! Of course, whatever GW releases now will look kinda crappy by comparison.

What GW will release will be painted in the 'eavy metal style which is much cleaner and made specifically to be clear box art of the models. Whatever the models are will also not require sourcing bits from 5 different kits to build.

Setting those facts aside, if you want that sort of style, then go for it. Aint nobody stopping you.