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I'm surprised that they don't have a 2-boy unit that you can make. Most other kits I can think of that have optional riders and such let you build the extra model into something (Abhorrent Ghoul King on foot form the Terrorgheist kit, the Medusa and Avatar of Khaine from the Cauldron of Blood kit, etc.)

I feel like that's something they don't really do anymore with modern kits, it's a holdover from older model designs where you can get to use individual models from the larger set. Most stuff now is a one and done deal, you might have options within the kit to swap wargear, but they want explicit separate models as their own clampacks nowadays.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I'm surprised that they don't have a 2-boy unit that you can make. Most other kits I can think of that have optional riders and such let you build the extra model into something (Abhorrent Ghoul King on foot form the Terrorgheist kit, the Medusa and Avatar of Khaine from the Cauldron of Blood kit, etc.)

Alright, hear me out :

One base with the two orruks on it. The chains that link the two boyz to the giant boar could be linked to each other in a Orky version of a “Get-Along Shirt”. Mayhem ensues!

chaos0xomega wrote:
the Medusa and Avatar of Khaine from the Cauldron of Blood kit

Interesting you mention that one. When it was first released, the Medusa was designed to make a separate unit if you built the Cauldron, but it wasn't until the Daughters of Khaine got their book that the Avatar was given a unit entry. Tyrion was the only Avatar of Khaine Fantasy ever had.

FYI
I posted this on another thread but might be interesting to folks here.
Size comparison CoS stuff vs old empire miniatures (7th edition)

See pics

From the first photo, it looks like the CoS infantry somehow has worse overall body proportions than the old State Troops.

Which is weird, because even across the CoS range, there are human miniatures with vastly better scaling.

Thanks for the comparison pictures, Astmeister. Always good to have those.

Might be because I don't like horses, but I prefer the look of the battle pony. No idea if the new horse's proportions are a better reflection of actual horse anatomy, but it's one case of GW revising their models' proportions that doesn't work for me.

You're welcome.
I agree that the new Steelhelms look a bit clumsy. Also the new horses are a bit too tall looking, but probably reasonable if you compare with real horses. Not that this particular Champion's horse is jumping forward stretched. So it looks kind of elongated. The other normally galloping horses might look more regular.

I have to build most of them though. Afterwards I can post another picture.

Thanks for the scale shot. The COS guy's legs look very short to my eye. So strange they can't do better proportions.

 Gallahad wrote:
Thanks for the scale shot. The COS guy's legs look very short to my eye. So strange they can't do better proportions.

It's not a great example of the kit. There's a lot of different builds in there.

Yeah they look quite diverse. I can provide scale shots for all of them with the empire minies. The one I posted might be a bit chubby.


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However those guys certainly are same scale as the old empire state troops. Whereas the horses are nowadays much taller.

Interesting that the infantry scales well to the old stuff, but the cavalry looks like Lu Bu and Red Hare for how they dwarf the old stuff.

I for one, hope we get a 'Duardin Warclans' battletome that works like the Orruks one; three separate armies written out with their own bespoke allegiance abilities, then a combined-arms allegiance that brings them all together.

I’m waiting on a normal duardin faction, besides dispossessed. Something like the Lumineth got

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/09/13/ironjawz-unleashed-the-warhammer-studio-on-designing-big-orruks-and-bigger-pigs/

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I for one, hope we get a 'Duardin Warclans' battletome that works like the Orruks one; three separate armies written out with their own bespoke allegiance abilities, then a combined-arms allegiance that brings them all together.

No thanks.

In reality, it's important to note that Orruk Warclans works now. It didn't really before.

Yeah, I maintain that the Orruk Warclans book was a mistake and the 3 subfactions contained therein need to be fleshed out and split up into separate books. Likewise Fyreslayers and Kharadron should remain separate and get more support.

Also, I wouldn't necessarily consider Lumineth "normal" elves, personally. They definitely have a distinct non-traditional flavor.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Yeah, I maintain that the Orruk Warclans book was a mistake and the 3 subfactions contained therein need to be fleshed out and split up into separate books. Likewise Fyreslayers and Kharadron should remain separate and get more support.

I would certainly say that Orruks could be broken into 2. Kruleboyz really do stand out as their very own theme; even their lore, style or sculpting and painting are all just wildly different from the rest of the line. I'd say they deserve their own book and more models - let them be the dark, twisted, nasty, smart orks of nightmares. The "serious" orks that have identity and aren't just 40K orks.

The Savage and Armoured are a bit trickier if just because they share such a common structure to them, even down to almost copying each others army structure style. Though with the latest huge boar models that line is getting more blurry and if the Savage got some new updated/unique models they could easily splinter off.

I feel like there's more of a divide within the Orruks than, say, the Skaven. Whilst Skaven have multiple different clans; they were always operating as a single army with a single overall style even way back in the early days of Old World. Heck groups like Eschen really don't function as a concept if you try to make them into a whole standing army.



At the very least I'd love Orruks to splinter into 2 forces, let the Kruleboyz be their own thing!

On the books in general?

I’m really, really hoping GW will adopt the free online supplement thing for a bit.

Whilst it’s nice to get new models, AoS has had a nasty habit in the past few years of really rapid book churn. Free supplements feel like a decent middle ground. The studio can still add a couple of new kits here and there, without needing to do a whole new book every time.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
On the books in general?

I’m really, really hoping GW will adopt the free online supplement thing for a bit.

Whilst it’s nice to get new models, AoS has had a nasty habit in the past few years of really rapid book churn. Free supplements feel like a decent middle ground. The studio can still add a couple of new kits here and there, without needing to do a whole new book every time.

Agreed. That's something the CoS book certainly should have. I assume they will get new minis within 1-2 years and i hope they don't get the Lumineth treatment, where the book is immediately obsolete. A supplement would be perfect.

I'm genuinely surprised that the Ironjawz updates weren't thrown into the new Dawnbringers book.

 Shakalooloo wrote:
I'm genuinely surprised that the Ironjawz updates weren't thrown into the new Dawnbringers book.

They are.

They also just made them free.

Maybe an attempt to boost interest in AoS by offering free rules?

I like to think they saw the uproar over the Lumineth tomes and corrected themselves.

I’m ever the optimist!

It doesn't sound unrealistic to me. GW also removed free warscrolls at the start of 3rd ed, no doubt in an attempt to get more book sales. AoS isn't 40k. I could see people reacting negatively to such a degree that GW felt the need for some appeasement.

The Warscrolls are still in the app for all factions!

Imho GW can not rip the peoples money out of their pockets so easily via AoS, because unlike 40k the player base is much smaller.
So they do not want to drive off too many people. For 40k GW can basically get through with anything they want.

I wish they'd update the app with cities of sigmar already. Wonder if they're waiting for the solo book release. Bit annoying

Billicus wrote:
I wish they'd update the app with cities of sigmar already. Wonder if they're waiting for the solo book release. Bit annoying

Yes they do wait for the solo book release. I wrote them an email 1 week ago and asked why I cannot redeem my CoS code. They said this will only be available after the official book release in the app.

Yes that's standard.

Would be nice if they had both but if old just goes away people without new book couldn't use app either so larger part unable then. And gw tournaments don't use book either.

Both for a while would be optimal but there's at least some logic and it"s consistent policy.