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I do wonder when these models are going to be released. we're so close to the (assumed) end of the edition, and this is a fairly big range update. if it doesn't happen in the next few months, it'll be a new edition, and with a starter box in the summer and stormcast/skaven in the fall, that means the next codex likely wouldn't be until late fall or winter, which is a long ways off. but if it's in the next few months, I'm not sure what this would be tying into. GW rarely releases models standalone

Could always be the rumour was wrong and the Darkoath are the launch faction. And Skaven are just getting their big redo with their next book.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Could always be the rumour was wrong and the Darkoath are the launch faction. And Skaven are just getting their big redo with their next book.

The leaked skaven sprue is push fit so 99% a launch faction


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 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
I do wonder when these models are going to be released. we're so close to the (assumed) end of the edition, and this is a fairly big range update. if it doesn't happen in the next few months, it'll be a new edition, and with a starter box in the summer and stormcast/skaven in the fall, that means the next codex likely wouldn't be until late fall or winter, which is a long ways off. but if it's in the next few months, I'm not sure what this would be tying into. GW rarely releases models standalone

There were rumours about a chaos focused Dawnbringers book, originally thought to be the 5th one. That wasn't the case with that one instead instead having DoK so maybe the chaos book is instead the 6th one which would be when we get all these Darkoath?

that would be a big upset. but the skaven leak was for a push-fit kit, and these don't look push-fit, so that feels unlikely


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 Matrindur wrote:

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:
I do wonder when these models are going to be released. we're so close to the (assumed) end of the edition, and this is a fairly big range update. if it doesn't happen in the next few months, it'll be a new edition, and with a starter box in the summer and stormcast/skaven in the fall, that means the next codex likely wouldn't be until late fall or winter, which is a long ways off. but if it's in the next few months, I'm not sure what this would be tying into. GW rarely releases models standalone

There were rumours about a chaos focused Dawnbringers book, originally thought to be the 5th one. That wasn't the case with that one instead instead having DoK so maybe the chaos book is instead the 6th one which would be when we get all these Darkoath?

i think that's what it would need to be. one final book with a Darkoath focus, but that ends on a tease of something happening with the skaven... would be a solid way of segueing into the new edition

If the recent downloadable Ironjawz supplement is the set of a precedent, this Darkoath stuff will probably get the same treatment. A little bit of new artwork, lore and rules with no need for a new book. Maybe it will include a rework of the “Ravagers” subfaction that ditches the “Marauder” keyword stuff and the Marauder mini’s get some sent to TOW.

Now that i give it a little thought, this does start to remind me of the kroot expansion for Tau.

The Dark Oath stuff looks awesome and the leaks are the icing on the cake for GW at least updating some of the old Marauder models to Darkoath (please GW don't be daft and just have Darkoath and Marauders - let the old Marauder kits rest in peace now).


I do agree GW could easily splinter a lot of the Warcy Warbands off into their own army and it would have a huge amount of variety. Right now they all kind of work in Slaves to Darkness because they sort of fill a similar point value and role slot with some variation, though a few (like the armourd ones) do stand out being generically better to take over the others.

If they got their own army GW could give them more diverse and powerful stats as they wouldn't have Chaos Warriors and other parts of the Slaves to Darkness army.

 Overread wrote:
The Dark Oath stuff looks awesome and the leaks are the icing on the cake for GW at least updating some of the old Marauder models to Darkoath (please GW don't be daft and just have Darkoath and Marauders - let the old Marauder kits rest in peace now).


I do agree GW could easily splinter a lot of the Warcy Warbands off into their own army and it would have a huge amount of variety. Right now they all kind of work in Slaves to Darkness because they sort of fill a similar point value and role slot with some variation, though a few (like the armourd ones) do stand out being generically better to take over the others.

If they got their own army GW could give them more diverse and powerful stats as they wouldn't have Chaos Warriors and other parts of the Slaves to Darkness army.

yeah, it's sort of lame that all of the different warbands have these diverse aesthetics and unique models, and then they all cost in the 70-100 points range. GW could do a lot more with them if they were their own thing

also the more i think about it, the more i'm coming around on these being the replacement for marauders, especially with the idea of marauders heading back to the old world

I saw the trailer on Facebook and grabbed more screenshots. They are all here: https://imgur.com/gallery/OZcYw6V

























EDIT: It looks like these solve at least three rumor engine pics too:

GW really have caught me with every army since Seraphon. Damn it

Here is a reupload of the video in HD:

https://tgacommunity.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/monthly_2024_03/darkoaths.mp4.2cd2c50545420abe332d273f3ce347cb.mp4

You know I wonder if this means Cities will get a freaking massive steam vehicle?!

That monster thingy is interesting.

The video is on Facebook too

It's honestly nice to see a new chaos monster. Both for Slaves to Darkness and the 4 gods there's actually very few monsters.

The 4 gods in particular have had the same few demonic models for decades.

Slaanesh has had seekers and Fiends for utterly years and nothing else - even the new exalted seekers are just bigger (cooler) seekers.

It's one thing I hope we see in AoS with the split up armies is more beasts/monsters/demons of chaos making an appearance now that each of the 5 arms are standing on their own as full armies.

They've teased darkoath for so long, crazy to see a full faction finally.
First tease was the hero in silver tower right?

Darkoath looks nuts, everything I've adored from previous releases (Warcry mostly) but with a fleshed out AoS range. Yes please!

Hoping we see more of whatever it was they were laying siege to?

A Cities mobile-ish fortress? Again, yes please! (It'll be second best to the Forgeworld Land Ship but I'm intrigued all the same)

Is the uploaded movie based on the WH+ darkoaths?
If not, it looks alot like they are not part of a Slaves to darkness force, and the catch phrase "cast of your shackles" sounds strange if they were slaves to darkness. But who knows.

 Fayric wrote:
Is the uploaded movie based on the WH+ darkoaths?
If not, it looks alot like they are not part of a Slaves to darkness force, and the catch phrase "cast of your shackles" sounds strange if they were slaves to darkness. But who knows.

It's a running theme, esp in AoS, that many of the followers of Chaos have no clue they are following Chaos. They can even be horrified at what they are doing, but they end up slaves to it.

Almost all the Warcry Warbands don't follow any of the 4 Major Chaos Gods, they each have their own named god that they follow. The cruel twist that slaves them is that the gods they follow don't exist as gods; they are Greater Demons of one of the 4 Chaos Gods posing as those gods. So two different settlements of the same Warband could be following the same named god; but in reality each worships them slightly differently because one is a Keeper of Secrets and the other a Bloodthirster.

Some do have an understanding of the Chaos gods and do specifically follow them. Heck one of the first Novella books (and I'm very sad to see GW no longer doing them as a theme) had tribes fighting between the gods and even a sense that the Gods they followed had to keep up their end of the deal or they'd switch gods.



We as readers often can tell when its one of the Chaos Gods and even which one when the author isn't being really sneaking. Because we've a greater overall lore understanding of the setting than the characters within. So many of them are Slaves to Darkness and Chaos, but they have no clue that they are Slaves to it.

 Overread wrote:

 Fayric wrote:
Is the uploaded movie based on the WH+ darkoaths?
If not, it looks alot like they are not part of a Slaves to darkness force, and the catch phrase "cast of your shackles" sounds strange if they were slaves to darkness. But who knows.

It's a running theme, esp in AoS, that many of the followers of Chaos have no clue they are following Chaos. They can even be horrified at what they are doing, but they end up slaves to it.

Almost all the Warcry Warbands don't follow any of the 4 Major Chaos Gods, they each have their own named god that they follow. The cruel twist that slaves them is that the gods they follow don't exist as gods; they are Greater Demons of one of the 4 Chaos Gods posing as those gods. So two different settlements of the same Warband could be following the same named god; but in reality each worships them slightly differently because one is a Keeper of Secrets and the other a Bloodthirster.

Some do have an understanding of the Chaos gods and do specifically follow them. Heck one of the first Novella books (and I'm very sad to see GW no longer doing them as a theme) had tribes fighting between the gods and even a sense that the Gods they followed had to keep up their end of the deal or they'd switch gods.



We as readers often can tell when its one of the Chaos Gods and even which one when the author isn't being really sneaking. Because we've a greater overall lore understanding of the setting than the characters within. So many of them are Slaves to Darkness and Chaos, but they have no clue that they are Slaves to it.

that's actually pretty disappointing. I had been under the impression that the gods they followed were simply minor chaos gods, and thought it was cool that this underutilized aspect of the lore was being developed. having it turn out to be "nope only the four we always talk about" feels underwhelming in comparison

I can see one each of infantry, cavalry, mounted hero, and monster, so it looks like they are the long needed Marauder refresh, with a new chieftain to keep pace in a pure Darkoath army, and a new beastie for flavour. Very keen

The monster itself is real cool, looks like if Jim Henson was inspired to put a Fallout Deathclaw in The Dark Crystal

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 Fayric wrote:
Is the uploaded movie based on the WH+ darkoaths?
If not, it looks alot like they are not part of a Slaves to darkness force, and the catch phrase "cast of your shackles" sounds strange if they were slaves to darkness. But who knows.

It's a running theme, esp in AoS, that many of the followers of Chaos have no clue they are following Chaos. They can even be horrified at what they are doing, but they end up slaves to it.

Almost all the Warcry Warbands don't follow any of the 4 Major Chaos Gods, they each have their own named god that they follow. The cruel twist that slaves them is that the gods they follow don't exist as gods; they are Greater Demons of one of the 4 Chaos Gods posing as those gods. So two different settlements of the same Warband could be following the same named god; but in reality each worships them slightly differently because one is a Keeper of Secrets and the other a Bloodthirster.

Some do have an understanding of the Chaos gods and do specifically follow them. Heck one of the first Novella books (and I'm very sad to see GW no longer doing them as a theme) had tribes fighting between the gods and even a sense that the Gods they followed had to keep up their end of the deal or they'd switch gods.



We as readers often can tell when its one of the Chaos Gods and even which one when the author isn't being really sneaking. Because we've a greater overall lore understanding of the setting than the characters within. So many of them are Slaves to Darkness and Chaos, but they have no clue that they are Slaves to it.

that's actually pretty disappointing. I had been under the impression that the gods they followed were simply minor chaos gods, and thought it was cool that this underutilized aspect of the lore was being developed. having it turn out to be "nope only the four we always talk about" feels underwhelming in comparison

In theory some might be minor gods. AoS is big enough to support that. However predominantly the Big 4 have the most Greater Demons with enough power to influence and get into the Real World to thus get followers. Other demons in the Warp are much weaker so we see far less of it.

That said The Great Horned Rat is a 5th Chaos God and we are likely to see some movement there with Skaven being in the boxed set this edition. 40K also now has a Warpsmith who is basically Chaos God equivalent in power. So I think GW are exploring elements of Chaos outside of the big 4. However its still something you're more likely to see in stories than you are in the core factions/models and armies.

GW has very little incentive to dilute Chaos with actual minor deities, when the aspects of the Great Four give them all the variety they'd ever want without having to commit to supporting yet another subfaction in the fluff.

And as I noted there's still ample space to expand the big 4 within their own sub-armies that they've done for AoS and partly done for 40K as well. I think only Slaanesh hasn't got a bunch of space marine themed model updates for 40K so chances are we'll see that from GW in the next year or two. Updated noise marines and a few other bits for a themed 40K force.

It's a DeathJaw! Grab your 11mm pistols everyone!

Well that was fast:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/03/03/sunday-preview-the-dawnbringers-crusade-continues-as-the-croneseer-circles-above/?utm_source=CUSTOMERS&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=WH_3rd_March_Preview_&utm_content=&utm_term=

I'm getting fed up with the lack of individual Wildercorps at this point.

You know it's because it's part of the starter. When the lumineth and nighthaunt box comes, they'll get split out.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
You know it's because it's part of the starter. When the lumineth and nighthaunt box comes, they'll get split out.

My dude, Salvation's contents literally just hit shelves yesterday despite the box releasing several months later.

So where's the next KT box? Did that go up for preorder?

I'm really curious to see the prices for the Warcry terrain and the Mawpit.