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I can't unsee that terrain piece as anything other than a chaotic ice cream dispenser lol.

This also means that the battletomes from the current edition will not be compatible with the new rules, and that every faction will receive a new battletome over the next few years.

Bummer, but I’m at peace with that.

On top of all that, there are modular rules, plenty more opportunities for reactivity in your opponent’s turn via an updated system of command points and abilities, and a ton of tweaks and refinements – not least to the double turn, which has been fine-tuned into a knife-edge decision with a clever twist to scoring.

Intriguing…

At the same time, the Great Horned Rat has struck a deal with Archaon himself, and ascended to his rightful place as a full fifth member of the Chaos pantheon – somewhat to the chagrin of the erstwhile four.

fething Awesome!

 nels1031 wrote:

At the same time, the Great Horned Rat has struck a deal with Archaon himself, and ascended to his rightful place as a full fifth member of the Chaos pantheon – somewhat to the chagrin of the erstwhile four.

Awesome!

On the one hand, the horned rat as a proper chaos god has been a long time coming.
But other the other paw, that seems a bit beyond Archaon to do that deal/ make that decision.


On the other, other claw. The 'Sigmar lied' bit unsurprisingly turned out to be a load of nothing. We already knew Reforging wasn't good for the ol' noggin. But its also presented as entirely necessary to have ridiculous heroes for world shaking moments like the one that just happened. She's even OK with it, so... whatever.

Oh man!

Oh gawd! oh man!

Will AoS 4.0 become fantasy setting 40K or Fantasy on round bases?

Can you imagine if now out of nowhere we get BS and WS and such?

Abraxia looks cool, but not so much her mount, and I usually love that kind of beasts.

Also, I'm somewhat salty that Archie got his waifu on plastic, but Valkia is finecrap still.


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Abraxia looks great. Will pick her up when she splits from her launch box.

So it was the ruination chamber, thought as much. Annoyed at the indexing, but it's gw, I'm surprised it took this long. Good reveals overall.

Or you know, it could still be its own thing and you can stop with trying to push the "it's fantasy but on round bases" you've been spamming the last couple of pages.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Abraxia looks great. Will pick her up when she splits from her launch box.

Did they announce she's coming on a Dawnbringers box? Because if she is I hope she comes with cheaper Varanguard.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

Or you know, it could still be its own thing and you can stop with trying to push the "it's fantasy but on round bases" you've been spamming the last couple of pages.

I'm certain two times barely counts as spam.

She's pictured with three vanguard and no hero characters have been released separately at launch yet.

Awwww, I was really hoping we would see some actual miniatures for the new edition. Ah well.

 CMLR wrote:

Will AoS 4.0 become fantasy setting 40K or Fantasy on round bases?

AoS was non-grimdark Fantasy version of the grimdark space fantasy 40k from the beginning
and both are fantasy on round bases

for the rules, always has been the case that the game systems are inspired by each other, so stuff that WHFB used in one Edition and seen as good was used in 40k later and vice versa and this also continued with AoS.
So nothing special here and already happened with 2nd and 3rd Edition

by now it was just that the AoS designers did a better job than the 40k team with the rules

 Scottywan82 wrote:
Awwww, I was really hoping we would see some actual miniatures for the new edition. Ah well.

Yeah, I’m pretty surprised, we did for 40k last year.

They probably didn't want to take away from the book 6/Darkoath stuff before it releases.

Last year they showed a couple of models alongside the last Arks of Omen book and the Lion.

Do not care about the chaos spear girl but I really like her mount.

Kinda disappointed the whole "Sigmar lied" thing turns out to just be some Stormcast who are salty that they're not proper immortals. Was hoping for something a bit more substantial.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Or they could finally stop being stupid and just say everyone in an engaged unit fights.

So models 12" away from enemy fights?

That would be big change removing weaknesses of congo lines. It would remove importance of positioning as hitting enemy weak side wouldn't matter.

Expecting more of 40k style or at most everybody within 3"(the engagement range) fights. Still weakens strategy of hitting weakest side but less than all fight.

So Sigmar lied was the thing we new from the beginning - sigmarines loosing their identity, and turning into automatons? At least the video was fun to watch.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
So Sigmar lied was the thing we new from the beginning - sigmarines loosing their identity, and turning into automatons? At least the video was fun to watch.

I assumed that they had no personality from the day they got released. Just assumed that they are space marined with even less charisma, than primaris. This plot twist is lame, hahah. I mean… who cares? It’s a weak drama plot point/turn of events in a fantasy setting that will lead nowhere. It would’ve been better, if they just recycled the thunder warrior arc for them.

Is that not just your fault for assuming?

New Ossiarchs are utterly fantastic and exactly what I was hoping to see from GW with them. I really hope they follow up the Warcry set with a few more units of core models that follow along this design ethos. I think its a fantastic counterpart to the really out-there creations like the trebuchet. On one side you've Ossiarchs almost trying to be living creatures and on the other you've fully machine like living constructs. I think its fantastic duality and really hope both sides get more explored by GW

 aku-chan wrote:
Kinda disappointed the whole "Sigmar lied" thing turns out to just be some Stormcast who are salty that they're not proper immortals. Was hoping for something a bit more substantial.

I think this is a case of where we the audience know more than the characters.

AoS launch and 1.0 were very much when Stormcast were unstoppable juggernauts smashing everything and basically unstoppable. 2.0 saw a shift as things get more broken down into the doldrums of a long drawn out campaign. Chaos pushes back; other allies splinter off and backstab and the Stormcast are being reforged over and over. As an audience we saw the reforging cracks and learned of the issues; whilst in world the Stormcast were more going through that learning experience. It looks like this new edition is going to feature a lot more stories where the Stormcast are really getting to grips with the grim reality that they are going to lose their identity and be left little more than almost golem war machines of Sigmar. I think this sets in stone some really interesting story elements because we could start to see Stormcast doing more of the grim-dark things. When your Stormcast allies turn on you because one person in the village is born with an extra finger etc.....

Can't blame Sigmar for her own incompetency and keep dying. I thought that was teaser for some kind of renegade stormcast but nah. Even the unit look boring just more bulky dude.

Also that half shave hairstyle should be banned on female models because it's overused, even the Sylvaneth are using it. jeesuz.

Chopstick wrote:
Can't blame Sigmar for her own incompetency and keep dying. I thought that was teaser for some kind of renegade stormcast but nah. Even the unit look boring just more bulky dude.

Also that half shave hairstyle should be banned on female models because it's overused, even the Sylvaneth are using it. jeesuz.

I think we won't see it at the start, but It might be a growing story theme through this edition that there are Stormcast going different. I won't say rogue as technically they'd be doing Sigmar's will - but perhaps more robotical. More singular in their focus; less compassionate etc...

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Is that not just your fault for assuming?

Nope. That’s on the design team. Golden statue appearance (displayed in mass) with the “stormcasts eternals” in the name and immortality in the saturday cartoon lore doesn’t exactly shout: “warrior individuals rich with personality, feelings and self identity”.

so first edition we got the statues without personality (and bodies) as the faceless army of Sigmar, as even the good guys cannot be "good"

but people wanted their good guys to be actually good guys with souls and characters so we got the faces and stories but because the good guys cannot be good we are back to "dying too often makes them a faceless statue"

because we need 2 grimdark fantasy universes, one in space and one in magic realms

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Is that not just your fault for assuming?

Nope. That’s on the design team. Golden statue appearance (displayed in mass) with the “stormcasts eternals” in the name and immortality in the saturday cartoon lore doesn’t exactly shout: “warrior individuals rich with personality, feelings and self identity”.

I mean its also on you if you've not read a single bit of AoS lore.

Also there are plenty of bits of art where they've taken their helmets off and animations.

 Overread wrote:

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Is that not just your fault for assuming?

Nope. That’s on the design team. Golden statue appearance (displayed in mass) with the “stormcasts eternals” in the name and immortality in the saturday cartoon lore doesn’t exactly shout: “warrior individuals rich with personality, feelings and self identity”.

I mean its also on you if you've not read a single bit of AoS lore.

Also there are plenty of bits of art where they've taken their helmets off and animations.

It's not even just the lore or art, there's plenty of models that are helmet-less or even have bare arms.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Overread wrote:

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Is that not just your fault for assuming?

Nope. That’s on the design team. Golden statue appearance (displayed in mass) with the “stormcasts eternals” in the name and immortality in the saturday cartoon lore doesn’t exactly shout: “warrior individuals rich with personality, feelings and self identity”.

I mean its also on you if you've not read a single bit of AoS lore.

Also there are plenty of bits of art where they've taken their helmets off and animations.

It's not even just the lore or art, there's plenty of models that are helmet-less or even have bare arms.

That was well past release which was his point.

At launch no bare helmets, no bare arms. Animations in 2015? Was there one?

It took years for faces to be revealed in aos2. And original chambers(liberators, judicators and so on) were all helmeted.

If they were always to be non-statue could have had more hints in fluff or art. But that came with 2nd ed.

So yes he assumed wrong but unless you had ability to see 3 years in future it was valid assumption. Gw didn't do anything to suggest otherwise.

That dinosaur thing does nothing for me, but I'm super excited for new skaven. Any idea when we can expect pictures?

Belthanos wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Overread wrote:

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Is that not just your fault for assuming?

Nope. That’s on the design team. Golden statue appearance (displayed in mass) with the “stormcasts eternals” in the name and immortality in the saturday cartoon lore doesn’t exactly shout: “warrior individuals rich with personality, feelings and self identity”.

I mean its also on you if you've not read a single bit of AoS lore.

Also there are plenty of bits of art where they've taken their helmets off and animations.

It's not even just the lore or art, there's plenty of models that are helmet-less or even have bare arms.

That was well past release which was his point.

At launch no bare helmets, no bare arms. Animations in 2015? Was there one?

It took years for faces to be revealed in aos2. And original chambers(liberators, judicators and so on) were all helmeted.

If they were always to be non-statue could have had more hints in fluff or art. But that came with 2nd ed.

So yes he assumed wrong but unless you had ability to see 3 years in future it was valid assumption. Gw didn't do anything to suggest otherwise.

The Vanguard hunters and the first underworlds warband both came with bare heads. They released during first edition. I'm pretty sure Stormcast took their helmets off in the very first AoS novel too.

I dont think GW knew what it wanted with Stormcast at first (if they were hollow, etc.). The first skin we saw was the horn blower and it was his lower jaw. Even then, GW hyped that reveal up

Then I believe there was some exclusive character that came out without a helmet. Some guy with a sword called a knight exscelcior or something, followed by the first Underworlds team

After that, unhelmeted models have been very common for years. Forgeworld evsn released heads at one point

The issue with the reveal isn't that the lie is well known, its that the implication is that there would be consequences for it and the trailer just kind of shrugs them off as the cost of doing business.