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2024/03/21 14:04:44
Subject: AOS N&R (DARKOATH! p203, Leaked Images p209 Adepticon p211)
yeah i suppose there might be consequences once we get into the edition itself, but if you're trying to sell the edition, you might want to lead with that
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2024/03/21 14:44:22
Subject: AOS N&R (DARKOATH! p203, Leaked Images p209 Adepticon p211)
This seems like the common problem with so much of the AoS lore. They don't want to commit to anything to leave everything there as a sandbox setting. But without committing to actions and consequences, the sandbox feels pretty hollow.
If they were always to be non-statue could have had more hints in fluff or art.
The fluff was always emphasizing on how this faceless statues were actually reforged soldiers who in previous lives were all heroes of some sort, specially in novels and BTs (battletomes) and they don't really die, but rather get reforged again should they fall in combat.
Heck, they weren't completely faceless; if you saw some early art, you could see their eyes through the shade their own helmets projected. Human eyes, no lightning or magic effects.
LunarSol wrote: The issue with the reveal isn't that the lie is well known, its that the implication is that there would be consequences for it and the trailer just kind of shrugs them off as the cost of doing business.
Yeah, I feel that the sort of folk Sigmar picks to be Stormcast are exactly the kind of people that would just shrug then carry on fighting and dying.
Stormcast: "Sigmar lied to us...but like...who cares man? We get these sweet shiny hammers to bash bad guys with! The dude can do no wrong!"
Skaven: "All that effort to make Eye of the Beholder dungeons underneath their cities, for them to play Mazes & Monsters, and they didn't even bother to check'em out! Well, really! Nothing for it gang, we're going to have to go up there!"
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2024/03/21 23:10:45
Subject: AOS N&R (DARKOATH! p203, Leaked Images p209 Adepticon p211)
StudentOfEtherium wrote: yeah i suppose there might be consequences once we get into the edition itself, but if you're trying to sell the edition, you might want to lead with that
They have been. Trying to find a cure for the reforging flaw has been Astreia Soulbright's story arc since 2nd ed. It's been a whole thing in the Dawnbringer books.
Again, it's not GW's fault you're not actually reading the fluff.
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2024/03/21 23:16:14
Subject: AOS N&R (DARKOATH! p203, Leaked Images p209 Adepticon p211)
CMLR wrote: Little thing: I noticed the art so far has Hollowed Knights (Silver Sigmarines), not Hammers of Sigmar (Golden Sigmarines).
Legitimately wondering why.
Probably to stand out better against the Green heavy colors of the Skaven? Green and gold blend, silver and green contrast.
They put Blue vs Green, Blue vs Copper and Green, and Blue vs Purple and White for three subsequent 40K editions. I doubt colour theory alone is the reason (if they shift from Ultras in 11E colour me surprised).
NinthMusketeer wrote: Afaik Hallowed Knights are the more popular subfaction, it could be GW shifting focus to follow that.
This I lean more into, I've seen in many places "gold is dumb" (they like Custodes), so maybe they'll try with silver now.
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2024/03/22 01:32:55
Subject: AOS N&R (DARKOATH! p203, Leaked Images p209 Adepticon p211)
StudentOfEtherium wrote: yeah i suppose there might be consequences once we get into the edition itself, but if you're trying to sell the edition, you might want to lead with that
They have been. Trying to find a cure for the reforging flaw has been Astreia Soulbright's story arc since 2nd ed. It's been a whole thing in the Dawnbringer books.
Again, it's not GW's fault you're not actually reading the fluff.
FWIW, my only contact with AoS Lore is pretty much the first few seasons of Underworlds and nothing else and even I know that Sigmar has been trying to fix reforging essentially forever.
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2024/03/22 02:03:07
Subject: AOS N&R (DARKOATH! p203, Leaked Images p209 Adepticon p211)
I really enjoy the various "Ages" concept. My hope is that GW doesn't go full Privateer Press mode and have the sku bloat for the factions. I see it happening for Storm Cast Eternals. Every edition change will add 2-3 new units, including a new character. I'm converting my Slaves to Darkness to Old World as 90% of the models were originally from Fantasy.
I'll pick up the rule book / GHB if the GHB has the new rule book in it as I've got Maggotkin, Hedonites, Beasts of Chaos, Kruleboyz, and Ogor Mawtribes. I'm invested in AOS
Anyway, we knew it was going to be Skaven, but I was hoping we were getting a Bull as Chaos God #5!!!
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Ha! Sorry, I couldn't resist!
I've of two minds about Chaos Dwarfs in AOS - on the one, I would love to see what they come up with using up to date plastic tech, but on the other I'm worried about what they come up with using up to date plastic tech!
At least I'll have the classic Old World stuff to fall back on...
The armour they made for third edition was the first ones that looked good in my opinion, but basicly every other faction is more interresting as far as Im concerned.
Fayric wrote: Are the stormcast very popular these days?
The armour they made for third edition was the first ones that looked good in my opinion, but basicly every other faction is more interresting as far as Im concerned.
They've gotten the most support by a country mile, so of course they are.
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2024/03/22 21:33:33
Subject: AOS N&R (DARKOATH! p203, Leaked Images p209 Adepticon p211)
LunarSol wrote: The issue with the reveal isn't that the lie is well known, its that the implication is that there would be consequences for it and the trailer just kind of shrugs them off as the cost of doing business.
Yeah, I feel that the sort of folk Sigmar picks to be Stormcast are exactly the kind of people that would just shrug then carry on fighting and dying.
Or people who would go 'Sigmar didn't lie, it's my fault for jobbing and dying to a single rat/grot/crab/whatever that made me go through repeated reforgings and this is my punishment'. Where does all this nihility comes from anyway? Religious people would blame themselves a hundred times (especially for something that was basically their fault) before casting shade at their god, especially in medieval times where said shade would end up with a punch (or worse) to the face. Even when said god is not real, never mind actually existing and benevolent one. And some of them would welcome loss of memories at that, seeing it's mostly martyrs who get picked to be stormcast and martyrdom is virtually never any pleasing experience.
This whole 'Sigmar lied' thing sounds like atheism (and strawman teen m'lady version ignorant religious people like to imagine at that), not something realistic character in setting would say, unless extremely cynical and bitter, and in that case, a good writer would first establish why they have such warped worldview first instead of shattering verisimilitude and then calling it a day. Especially when alternative (being sent to be tortured forever by Chaos or being pathetic plaything of capital D*ck death god) sounds sooo appealing in comparison to even most jaded, cynical and grimdark interpretation of Sigmar and that's is already going way past the stretching point.
I am also really sick of WFB/AOS/40K writers having zero clue about armour and treating it like toilet paper. It would be one thing if it was losing to magical/power weapons, but in this video, special stormcast armor is trivially penetrated by arrows and sticks through THICKEST PART OF THE PLATE! What's the point of wearing it then? Go without so it doesn't limit your moves and visibility. In reality, these hits would be directed at joints and gaps, but these seem to be armored with some magical plotanium as I can't recall a single GW animation/comic/book/art where someone is hit there, no, it's always heavy armor that gets hacked apart even if all enemy has is a rusty butter knife and elite heavy infantry jobbing to chaff barely outnumbering them instead of pushing back 10x their number as they did in RL
2024/03/24 06:51:28
Subject: AOS N&R (DARKOATH! p203, Leaked Images p209 Adepticon p211)
It does sound like these "heroes" aren't exact the heroes that Sigmar and we thought they were, they're more akin to the Chaos worshipper who pursuit eternal life, glory and self gratification (from fighting evil) rather than selflessly fighting evil for the greater cause.
...Maybe Sigmar heresy is coming. But then that'd mean new Spiky stormcast models and Stormcast vs Stormcast boxset, which would suck. eew.
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2024/03/24 08:47:51
Subject: AOS N&R (DARKOATH! p203, Leaked Images p209 Adepticon p211)
I am also really sick of WFB/AOS/40K writers having zero clue about armour and treating it like toilet paper. It would be one thing if it was losing to magical/power weapons, but in this video, special stormcast armor is trivially penetrated by arrows and sticks through THICKEST PART OF THE PLATE! What's the point of wearing it then? Go without so it doesn't limit your moves and visibility. In reality, these hits would be directed at joints and gaps, but these seem to be armored with some magical plotanium as I can't recall a single GW animation/comic/book/art where someone is hit there, no, it's always heavy armor that gets hacked apart even if all enemy has is a rusty butter knife and elite heavy infantry jobbing to chaff barely outnumbering them instead of pushing back 10x their number as they did in RL
It is typical to most writers, just look at various fantasy tv shows/movies. In majority armour is just for the fancy look offering no protection unless plot armour enters the stage.
2024/03/24 09:10:15
Subject: AOS N&R (DARKOATH! p203, Leaked Images p209 Adepticon p211)
Chopstick wrote: It does sound like these "heroes" aren't exact the heroes that Sigmar and we thought they were, they're more akin to the Chaos worshipper who pursuit eternal life, glory and self gratification (from fighting evil) rather than selflessly fighting evil for the greater cause.
...Maybe Sigmar heresy is coming. But then that'd mean new Spiky stormcast models and Stormcast vs Stormcast boxset, which would suck. eew.
I can't speak to every instance of the fluff, but what I recall of earlier editions is that overwhelmingly future Sigmarines got yoinked from their last stands, handed a sword and promised they get to murderize the dudes that murderized them for the rest of eternity. I never got the impression that Sigmarines were meant to be selfless heroes but rather an army of vengeful fanatics.
Even if the fake Sigmar Lied drama turns out not to be as silly and meaningless as it seems now, I don't think GW has any interest in spiky Sigmarines. AoS isn't 40k, and on the fantasy side GW has always had Chaos Warriors to fulfill the heavily armored super warrior role. When it comes down to it Sigmarines already are the (in this case non-spiky) mirror of the super warriors. Spiky Sigmarines don't add a whole lot Chaos Warriors don't already do.
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What's the point of wearing it then? Go without so it doesn't limit your moves and visibility. In reality, these hits would be directed at joints and gaps, but these seem to be armored with some magical plotanium as I can't recall a single 
