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chaos0xomega wrote:
Until you look at the prices. Have fun building your skaven army spending $60 for a unit of 10, you'll only need about 10 boxes to cover your core needs for the typical army.

Gw doesn't sell clanrats in boxes of 10 though.

I also expect the second case to be more likely. Little demand for Stormcast seems rather fabricated and will absolutely depend on the design and quality of those new sculpts. One of dominion's biggest issues was the kruleboyz side which had a tepid reception. Even without ToW demand accounted for, Skaven are a much more heavily anticipated release and much more popular faction within the Warhammer IP.

I expect nothing. I mean they just nuked sacrosant who would expect that.

Rats are meh, not really something special and to be fair, quite boring.

Belthanos wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Until you look at the prices. Have fun building your skaven army spending $60 for a unit of 10, you'll only need about 10 boxes to cover your core needs for the typical army.

Gw doesn't sell clanrats in boxes of 10 though.

Doesn't sell them in boxes of 10 yet.

These clanrats look neat, kinda excited to see what the Stormvermin will look like.

 Scottywan82 wrote:


I meant more for making each unit look unique. Even if it does nothing in-game, options are always a positive in my book.

Agreed. I too like my models having even a little differences between themselves.

Dudeface wrote:

Belthanos wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Until you look at the prices. Have fun building your skaven army spending $60 for a unit of 10, you'll only need about 10 boxes to cover your core needs for the typical army.

Gw doesn't sell clanrats in boxes of 10 though.

Doesn't sell them in boxes of 10 yet.

They’ve shown 13 models with no double ups.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
They've made it pretty damn explicit at this point that they want no crossover between systems.

Better have the Warhammer Police on standby then as I've already been using stormcast for WFB, so I'm looking forward to the new FOMO 4th Ed AoS set simply to re-enforce my Skaven & Slaanesh Old world forces with new conversion materials.

I also intend to run a campaign weekend where a chaos siege take place against both an old world dwarf fortress, and their Duardin & KO decedents in the mortals realms concurrently.

They can try to separate the systems, but at this late stage they will slowly figure out its not worth the effort.

 ImAGeek wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Belthanos wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Until you look at the prices. Have fun building your skaven army spending $60 for a unit of 10, you'll only need about 10 boxes to cover your core needs for the typical army.

Gw doesn't sell clanrats in boxes of 10 though.

Doesn't sell them in boxes of 10 yet.

They’ve shown 13 models with no double ups.

Big brain move, they're releasing clanrats in boxes that feature the Horned Rats favored number

 ImAGeek wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Belthanos wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Until you look at the prices. Have fun building your skaven army spending $60 for a unit of 10, you'll only need about 10 boxes to cover your core needs for the typical army.

Gw doesn't sell clanrats in boxes of 10 though.

Doesn't sell them in boxes of 10 yet.

They’ve shown 13 models with no double ups.

That's a much more logical reason for asserting they'll sell them in 20's, it's still not a certainty and it's definitely more grounded than stating what they sell the old ones in.

Regards the models I always wanted a skaven army, but these are a little more in the monkey-rat aesthetic of the older sculpts which I'm not a fan of and they're honestly too detailed and well done for a horde army imo.

 BertBert wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Until you look at the prices. Have fun building your skaven army spending $60 for a unit of 10, you'll only need about 10 boxes to cover your core needs for the typical army.

There will be plenty of sprues around for cheaper than that when the new starter hits the shelves. Gotta be fast

assuming people buy the starter for the Stormcast to sell of the Rats and not the other way around, like it was in the past were no one really wanted the Stormcast models and of the other army is of no interest either the starter does not sell at all

Dudeface wrote:

Spoiler:

 ImAGeek wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Belthanos wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Until you look at the prices. Have fun building your skaven army spending $60 for a unit of 10, you'll only need about 10 boxes to cover your core needs for the typical army.

Gw doesn't sell clanrats in boxes of 10 though.

Doesn't sell them in boxes of 10 yet.

They’ve shown 13 models with no double ups.

That's a much more logical reason for asserting they'll sell them in 20's, it's still not a certainty and it's definitely more grounded than stating what they sell the old ones in.

Regards the models I always wanted a skaven army, but these are a little more in the monkey-rat aesthetic of the older sculpts which I'm not a fan of and they're honestly too detailed and well done for a horde army imo.

Arms do seem a little dangly and the posture is somehow between the previous 2 types it seems (previous ones were quite upright but with very crooked upper spine/neck, these are a bit more forwards leaning overall), and I'm baffled by the amount of left-handed rat-man (and the lore; the idea that they've improvised all their gear during/on the way to battle is pretty ridiculous). But still great little models, and when painted similarly will probably form a pretty nice swarm alongside the previous incarnation. Still glad I panic-bought 2 of the old sets from local stores when their disappearance was announced, but depending on the prices might mix these in for sure. I do enjoy how many little rats are running around near them too, even if painting them will be annoying. Given lack of scale creep, I'm looking forward to the Stormvermin now.

The new warplighting weapon guy looks bland though, I think the old weapon teams had much more character than what has been shown thus far from the new artillery/heavy weapons.

EDIT: But honestly, the biggest improvement? The fact they stopped painting the complete arms/heads of the Skaven in pink skin colour. Never looked right to me.

 RaptorusRex wrote:
Pretty spot-on to the 7th sculpts, just re-adjusted to modern proportions and scale. Nothing that particularly marks these out as AOS. I can appreciate that, but on the other hand, it feels “safe”. That said, that makes me wonder if they do intend these to do double duty once TOW’s initial release is settled.

they seem to fit the same base sizes, but also, i doubt GW is going to do anything more with skaven than they've already done with the PDF, so the extent of these models in TOW is that you could use them if you want without any issue except maybe an especially curmudgeonly and time period accurate opponent

New Skaven look really great.

Biggest downside will be assembly since you will have to find multiple part numbers for every guy with few to no options for customization. Will take ages to put together a proper swarm and you will have many repeated sculpts.

But I like how they look!

If I had a Skaven army for TOW, I could certainly see picking up a set or two of these Clanrats to add even more variety to units.

They're so good I totally forgot what happened last week!

Belthanos wrote:
Gw doesn't sell clanrats in boxes of 10 though.

They could now!

 BertBert wrote:
ToW

 ingtaer wrote:
ToW

D'oh!

 ImAGeek wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Belthanos wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Until you look at the prices. Have fun building your skaven army spending $60 for a unit of 10, you'll only need about 10 boxes to cover your core needs for the typical army.

Gw doesn't sell clanrats in boxes of 10 though.

Doesn't sell them in boxes of 10 yet.

They’ve shown 13 models with no double ups.

They sell Plague Marines in 7s.

I probably would use all the minis in the started box this time, skaven I need for a Mordheim project.
But I lost half my minis for age of sigma, I only just finished them :( and I am unhappy.

They’ve shown 13 models with no double ups.

Likely 10 bodies, three having options between Clanrat and Command?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

They’ve shown 13 models with no double ups.

Likely 10 bodies, three having options between Clanrat and Command?

Their bodies aren’t repeated in the other 10.

Clanrats are like the quintessential 20 model unit. I really don’t see them being sold in 10s.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

They’ve shown 13 models with no double ups.

Likely 10 bodies, three having options between Clanrat and Command?

10 squad, command sold separately, like lots of Old World

Solved

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

They’ve shown 13 models with no double ups.

Likely 10 bodies, three having options between Clanrat and Command?

Their bodies aren’t repeated in the other 10.

Clanrats are like the quintessential 20 model unit. I really don’t see them being sold in 10s.

Something that's possible is that there's a specific "set" of legs/torsos or whatever that are used for the command stuff. There's been a few instances of late where there's a unique series of bits keyed specifically for that which build a wildly different "basic" trooper.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Something that's possible is that there's a specific "set" of legs/torsos or whatever that are used for the command stuff. There's been a few instances of late where there's a unique series of bits keyed specifically for that which build a wildly different "basic" trooper.

They've also gotten better at obfuscating such dual builds with photography angles.

 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:

EDIT: But honestly, the biggest improvement? The fact they stopped painting the complete arms/heads of the Skaven in pink skin colour. Never looked right to me.

Had the same thought. Looks so much better.

I know I know, heroic scale and all, but don't you think nü-rats' hands are considerably larger now? almost comically?

It's one of those "make them true scale and they are tiny and hard to paint/detail" or "make them heroic and they look oversized but are much easier to paint and detail" aspects.

I know there's some 3d prints that I've got which are truer scale and the hands are just freaking utterly tiny things to work with.

 CMLR wrote:
I know I know, heroic scale and all, but don't you think nü-rats' hands are considerably larger now? almost comically?

When compared to the old rats. Nah doesn’t look comically bigger. I’m just comparing the photo with the liberator and comically isn’t coming to mind.

Anther thing to consider is they likely look better with GW's scale of weapons if the hands are a little bigger than perfect true scale - since the weapons aren't.

 Overread wrote:
Anther thing to consider is they likely look better with GW's scale of weapons if the hands are a little bigger than perfect true scale - since the weapons aren't.

Always thought that GWs weapons were unrealistically enormous. I guess it gives you more details and makes them less likely to snap when handling but visually it looks off. I’m going to get blasted for this but in my opinion the worst offender is the Space Marine bolter. Those things are obnoxiously massive.

 Jammer87 wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Anther thing to consider is they likely look better with GW's scale of weapons if the hands are a little bigger than perfect true scale - since the weapons aren't.

Always thought that GWs weapons were unrealistically enormous. I guess it gives you more details and makes them less likely to snap when handling but visually it looks off. I’m going to get blasted for this but in my opinion the worst offender is the Space Marine bolter. Those things are obnoxiously massive.

Not just easier to see and less risk to damage, but also likely easier to cast more reliably as well. In 3D printing its still an issue learning what can work and what is just too thin to be practical in anything but a high grade resin

 CMLR wrote:
I know I know, heroic scale and all, but don't you think nü-rats' hands are considerably larger now? almost comically?

Um... no? Same size as those from the recent kit. 'Comic' you'll get when looking at the old ones and the nearly as old Night Runners.