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I wonder if there's a possibility for some older FW models to get a second life. Would love to get my hands on the dwarf command set

Or a revamped, much beloved chaos war mammoth...?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

For $40 or more, the miniature should be better than “from across the table it’s fine.”

Your argument will be valid if it's indeed sold that price when it's released. So far, we only have the miniature. They didn't say anything about the price.

As for the feelings, it's always been subjective for liking or not a miniature's sculpt.

 RaptorusRex wrote:
It's an alright model, but players expect more by this point.

And honestly, I believe that's the real issue. People wanted to see more than just a BSB for a TOW preview. So of course, they're disappointed. What else do we have left but nitpicking about some perceived proportions on a picture ?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Just because you can’t perceive the difference between good proportions and bad proportions doesn’t mean the difference doesn’t exist. I can’t tell the difference between Coke and Pepsi, but I know better than to tell soda aficionados who paid for Coke to shut up and enjoy their Pepsi.

For $40 or more, the miniature should be better than “from across the table it’s fine.”

What "Bad Proportion" are you on about? Other than the neck, which seems to be down to the armour and the photo angle, there's nothing that stands out as obviously wrong.

the torso is too short, which is what we are all talking about as the upper torso does not fit and that is why the model looks off

specially as the old Warhammer/Bretonnia models had more realistic proportions

Sarouan wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

For $40 or more, the miniature should be better than “from across the table it’s fine.”

Your argument will be valid if it's indeed sold that price when it's released. So far, we only have the miniature. They didn't say anything about the price.

Given it's resin and FW, it'll likely be much more than $40. Even basic Space Marine heroes on foot from FW are more than $40, unmounted human sized BB characters are $36, so I'll be surprised if it's less than $50 for a mounted knight.

Its a meh model - not bad not good IMO but its just meh

But there is soooo much they could be telling us without "spoiling" the game - tell us about the period - how Bretonnia is different to 2500s Bretonnia (if it is), what the provinces are like, name some names...some battles, some heros and villians. - anything rather than what they are doing - hell give us some fiction like they are doing for Dawnbringer Crusade..

 kodos wrote:
the torso is too short, which is what we are all talking about as the upper torso does not fit and that is why the model looks off

specially as the old Warhammer/Bretonnia models had more realistic proportions

I don’t think it is too short, I think what they have done is go with a more “realistic” scaled helmet, which is bigger than the normal look and add the neck protector thing and the torso looks very top heavy, but if you look at the limbs the torso size is fine. For me it fits fine with the rest of the range. Shame it’s resin but Horus heresy has survived well being a forgeworld based game and this is pitched in the same way as that “historical” warhammer game.

Well, I quite like it and the paint job, nor do I see any really out of place proportions.
The only things that will stop me buying it when it's released will be;
a) the price
b) the thought of a tall pointy bannered resin model ready to be snagged in the battlefield and snapped
c) I like my models facing forwards

A stat line.


ANY stat line.


That would do more to assuage or validate concerns than any number of models posted. I'll refrain from any emotional input until I see one. Until then I'll keep playing 6th.

 kodos wrote:
the torso is too short, which is what we are all talking about as the upper torso does not fit and that is why the model looks off

specially as the old Warhammer/Bretonnia models had more realistic proportions

No, it isn't. The model has the same amount / proportions as the classic miniatures:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 kodos wrote:
the torso is too short, which is what we are all talking about as the upper torso does not fit and that is why the model looks off

specially as the old Warhammer/Bretonnia models had more realistic proportions

No, it isn't. The model has the same amount / proportions as the classic miniatures:

Spoiler:

Kodos is perhaps talking about the older models (the Perry ones from the mid to late 90's) as the 6th edition models had horrific proportions, at best they had the proportions of infants, at worst they looked like bobble heads.

I don't have huge problems with the proportions of this model, it just looks "okay", not "oh wow that's cool". It doesn't even look like a resin model, it looks more like a plastic one.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 kodos wrote:
the torso is too short, which is what we are all talking about as the upper torso does not fit and that is why the model looks off

specially as the old Warhammer/Bretonnia models had more realistic proportions

No, it isn't. The model has the same amount / proportions as the classic miniatures:

Spoiler:

Kodos is perhaps talking about the older models (the Perry ones from the mid to late 90's) as the 6th edition models had horrific proportions.

He's been on about the miniatures from 2004 when talking about them. The 80s/90s stuff won't be what would come to mind unless it is stated specifically, as what was available before these new ones are the "old" miniatures.

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 Dawnbringer wrote:

 Vulcan wrote:

 DarkBlack wrote:
This has dragged so badly that Mantic can simply point out that you can play Kings of War right now to market their game.
They did it in response to the original square base announcement too and it's hard to say it's too soon to do it again.

And it's still the same game it was when I tried it after End Times blew up the world, and I didn't like it then when it was effectively free, and I'm certainly not paying for a game I'm not going to like now.

If it's to your taste, more power to you. It's not to mine, and we'll leave it at that.

Can I ask what you do play currently?

Spend the last few years in the boonies playing a whole lot of nothing. Trying to find a group that still plays 8th now that I'm back in civilization.

Checked with Eighth Edition For Life yet?

That's the other WFB forum I'm on, for obvious reasons.

So, since epic was announced this year, does anyone believe we are looking at a 2023 release?

 triplegrim wrote:
So, since epic was announced this year, does anyone believe we are looking at a 2023 release?

Can't rule it out; general rumours are seemingly still panning out with Legions Imperialis looking set for late Summer/Autumn release. Thought was that Old World might see a launch box/rulebook towards the back end of 2023 then a follow up in the new year. Might not happen but personally I'm not dismissing it entirely just yet.

JimmyWolf87 wrote:

 triplegrim wrote:
So, since epic was announced this year, does anyone believe we are looking at a 2023 release?

Can't rule it out; general rumours are seemingly still panning out with Legions Imperialis looking set for late Summer/Autumn release. Thought was that Old World might see a launch box/rulebook towards the back end of 2023 then a follow up in the new year. Might not happen but personally I'm not dismissing it entirely just yet.

Valrak seems to think that there will be something like a commemorative box release once these '40 years of Warhammer' miniature showcases reach #40 later in the year.

Personally, i think its a beautiful model and am keen to see the rest of the Bretonnian range.

In the words of Borat - "...I is very excite"

Many of the remaining Warhammer fantasy lines are being squatted out of Age of Sigmar (join the club) and will be old world only. They also teased more Old World news later in July.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/07/13/cities-of-sigmar-range-announcement/

No mention of these models being changed to made to order only though, which might be a clue for how support for the Old World will look.

I'm sad to see models leaving, but hopeful because I'm willing to bet many of those high elf models and wood elf ones being pulled are going to reappear in Old World

Interesting that none of the Dark Elf lot are being removed!

Probably because dark elves aren’t in the old world. GW will just square base these removed models to prevent confusion

Interesting to note that the statement goes "Many of these aren’t gone for good, and will in fact be returning in due course under the banner of Warhammer: The Old World, as reinforcements for the High Elves, the Wood Elves, and the Empire." So not all of them will return, as in: some will actually be gone. Happy guessing!

Also:

Grail Seeker wrote:
They also teased more Old World news later in July.

They said the same about June, and... it did not happen. I still believe we will get something for TOW this month, but I would not bet money on it.

Grail Seeker wrote:
Many of the remaining Warhammer fantasy lines are being squatted out of Age of Sigmar (join the club) and will be old world only. They also teased more Old World news later in July.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/07/13/cities-of-sigmar-range-announcement/

No mention of these models being changed to made to order only though, which might be a clue for how support for the Old World will look.

Not much of a surprise. Every CoS book has been preceded by a culling. At least they actually get stuff this time!

That some may live on in TOW (while it lasts) is something, I guess.

At least this culling has come with a nice chunky addition of new models too.

Demigryph Knights are being replaced? If that means they, and other 8th Ed. OP units, are headed for TOW, then my optimism is shrinking drastically...

 Just Tony wrote:
Demigryph Knights are being replaced? If that means they, and other 8th Ed. OP units, are headed for TOW, then my optimism is shrinking drastically...

Why would you think they aren't part of it? It's not like their existence lore-wise is something that only happened during the end-times.

Demigryphs surprise me, they fit AoS a loooot better than ToW.

Yeah a bit weird but then the armour designs and riders are still very Empire themed.
Would be nice to see CoS get some more magical beasties in return but with the generic horse knights I doubt that.

I think it was more delusional than optimistic to think that the 8th edition Warhammer Fantasy units wouldn't be in Warhammer fantasy, especially ones like Demigryph Knights which are still in production and are super popular in the Total War games.

Aesthetically I think they fit just fine, demigryphs aren't even the most fantastical thing in the Empire range. They just need decent rules

Mentlegen324 wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:
Demigryph Knights are being replaced? If that means they, and other 8th Ed. OP units, are headed for TOW, then my optimism is shrinking drastically...

Why would you think they aren't part of it? It's not like their existence lore-wise is something that only happened during the end-times.

Well, for me part of the reason...

lord_blackfang wrote:Demigryphs surprise me, they fit AoS a loooot better than ToW.

... is summed up right here. The other part...

Grail Seeker wrote:I think it was more delusional than optimistic to think that the 8th edition Warhammer Fantasy units wouldn't be in Warhammer fantasy, especially ones like Demigryph Knights which are still in production and are super popular in the Total War games.

Aesthetically I think they fit just fine, demigryphs aren't even the most fantastical thing in the Empire range. They just need decent rules

... is that they design sensibilities as well as the overlethality of units from 8th isn't something I'd like to see back.

There's also the fact that the Demigryph models are plastered in sculpted-on details that are completely inappropriate for TOW:
A. All the Sigmar/comet imagery is out of place given that this is set in a civil war with the Empire divided along religious lines. Anyone wanting to play as Ottilian or Middenland is going to be carving off large chunks of pretty much every 8E-era model.
B. Anything with a reference to Karl Franz, who won't be born for a few centuries yet. Admittedly this didn't stop them from using the models in AoS...