Warhammer - The Old World news and rumors. Pre orders. p.280.

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**chaos0xomega**

Kanluwen wrote:
Look people, we have something more important to discuss:

What do we think Squires are going to be?!

Mounted Men-at-arms?

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Kanluwen wrote:
leopard wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Look people, we have something more important to discuss:

What do we think Squires are going to be?!

personally I suspect they will be light cavalry, essentially because thats more or less what they are in the Warmaster Brettonia list. unarmoured horse, lightly armoured rider, spear, maybe a bow

Spoiler:

Mounted Yeoman would fill that role, no?

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Coolyo294 wrote:
In the 5th edition army book you could include one regiment of squires per regiment of knights. They were skirmishing peasants who could take either bows or spears and could be mounted. 6th edition replaced them with mounted yeoman and the option to make one unit of peasant bowmen skirmishers. The lore has them as gofers and attendants to knights so i'm hoping there's some sort of synergy between them beyond leadership buffs. Otherwise keep them as mobile harassers and chaff to block charges.

Moreover, I just want GW to put the miniatures back in production. They're so much better than the plastic men at arms and bowmen.

A friend of mine just grabbed me a collection of unopened Squire blisters as a Christmas present, so I'm trying to suss out what they might be. Total War has them as greatsword/halberd wielders and the models I could find are bows...definitely hoping for the bow angle!

Ah, in that case, I would guess squires might be lesser footnights? Something between men-at-arms and a foot knight?

**Lord Zarkov**

chaos0xomega wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Look people, we have something more important to discuss:

What do we think Squires are going to be?!

Mounted Men-at-arms?

Automatically Appended Next Post:

Kanluwen wrote:
leopard wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Look people, we have something more important to discuss:

What do we think Squires are going to be?!

personally I suspect they will be light cavalry, essentially because thats more or less what they are in the Warmaster Brettonia list. unarmoured horse, lightly armoured rider, spear, maybe a bow

Spoiler:

Mounted Yeoman would fill that role, no?

Automatically Appended Next Post:

Coolyo294 wrote:
In the 5th edition army book you could include one regiment of squires per regiment of knights. They were skirmishing peasants who could take either bows or spears and could be mounted. 6th edition replaced them with mounted yeoman and the option to make one unit of peasant bowmen skirmishers. The lore has them as gofers and attendants to knights so i'm hoping there's some sort of synergy between them beyond leadership buffs. Otherwise keep them as mobile harassers and chaff to block charges.

Moreover, I just want GW to put the miniatures back in production. They're so much better than the plastic men at arms and bowmen.

A friend of mine just grabbed me a collection of unopened Squire blisters as a Christmas present, so I'm trying to suss out what they might be. Total War has them as greatsword/halberd wielders and the models I could find are bows...definitely hoping for the bow angle!

Ah, in that case, I would guess squires might be lesser footnights? Something between men-at-arms and a foot knight?

That would be strange given both men at arms and foot knights are Core while Squires are Special.

IMO skirmishing archers like in 5th, probably with an increased BS over archers, seems most likely

**alextroy**

Vorian wrote:
SU-152 wrote:
Scottywan82 wrote:

No step up is present.

that was confirmed in one of the WC articles.

I think strongly hinted at is more accurate:

You roll as many dice as your engaged models have Attacks
and, with the higher Initiative models striking first, a charging unit has the opportunity to overwhelm its enemies before they have the wit to swing back. Next, you roll to wound and make armour saves as normal.

The only way that sentence makes sense is if you don't step up.

This makes sense even if you always get to attack with engaged models if “overwhelm its enemies” is shorthand for “kill all the models in the unit”.

**Vorian**

I guess that's possible, but I'd imagine it's a lot more likely they are talking about eligible models being killed rather than units being completely annihilated.

I guess we shall see.

**Baragash**

I hope the monster/rider armour stacking rumour is wrong. Having the bonus wounds and 1+/2+ saves and inevitable magic item protection on ridden monsters would be a significant shift in power towards them in combat compared to previous editions.

**MaxT**

I very much think it’s wrong. We’ve seen enough good things of this rule set that i doubt the writers thought heavy cav being 3+ Save and ridden monsters being like 0+ Save is sensible.

**RustyNumber**

chaos0xomega wrote:

I think its GW trying to message-between-the-lines that The End Times are not being retconned and WHFB as you knew it is never coming back and Age of Sigmar is not being replaced, etc.

This has been explicitly stated in earlier community posts.

**morganfreeman**

MaxT wrote:
I very much think it’s wrong. We’ve seen enough good things of this rule set that i doubt the writers thought heavy cav being 3+ Save and ridden monsters being like 0+ Save is sensible.

Isn't this exactly the sort of thing that would be needed to make them actually decently usable though?

IIRC lords-on-monsters were a massive waste of points due to how easy it was to remove them with a cannon or two, and "monsters" were only really worth it when they were cheap and spammable so as to overwhelm their counters.

**triplegrim**

Isnt squires just skirmish archer?s

**JimmyWolf87**

Kanluwen wrote:
Look people, we have something more important to discuss:

What do we think Squires are going to be?!

Been answered above (re. skirmishing archers/spearmen) but I've seen so many people ask what they think Squires are over different platforms and was baffled. Took me ages to realise it was because they'd been dropped in the 6th Edition book so haven't been part of the roster for 20-odd years.

**Dreamchild**

Someone over on TGA mentioned January 6 as the preorder date.

**Darkial**

That would be a great present from the three wise kings! (we celebrate it in Spain for the ones confused)

**Platuan4th**

Darkial wrote:
That would be a great present from the three wise kings! (we celebrate it in Spain for the ones confused)

Parts of America do too. It's the beginning of the Mardi Gras season and the official start date for the sale of King Cakes(hence the name) in New Orleans/Louisiana.

**Kanluwen**

Dreamchild wrote:
Someone over on TGA mentioned January 6 as the preorder date.

Elarin, the aforementioned poster, has been fairly spot on with dates.

**WorldEdgePlayer**

So when are we getting a proper Old World forum?

**Eumerin**

WorldEdgePlayer wrote:
So when are we getting a proper Old World forum?

Since there's still no proper LI forum, I suspect you're going to have to use the Specialist Games forum.

Edit - Or I suppose you could use the ALREADY EXISTING WFB Legacy Forum that I completely forgot existed.

**BrookM**

Not sure if this will load, but leaked shots of the upcoming Tomb Kings boxed set: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bretonnian/comments/18omgfd/leaked_tomb_king_box_what_to_expect_for_brets/

Unless this was already posted, in which case, report and I'll remove.

**Kanluwen**

It was posted already, but it's not a big deal as those are bigger pictures.

**Inquisitor Gideon**

They could have at least put some movement trays in that.

**infinite_array**

Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
They could have at least put some movement trays in that.

Ooh! Will GW bring back the cut-your-own plastic movement trays?

**Voss**

Dreamchild wrote:
Someone over on TGA mentioned January 6 as the preorder date.

I'm dubious about that, simply because that's before the current preorders resolve (the kill team and other stuff that went up yesterday has a 3-week preorder period and comes out on the 13th). Now maybe they'll have overlapping preorder periods with a two-week preorder window for TOW, but its easier to present customers with a clear 'now this, then that' rather than let people get their wires crossed.

**Darnok**

Inquisitor Gideon wrote:They could have at least put some movement trays in that.

I think they stopped putting movement trays with models either late into 5th or at some point in 6th. Why would they start with a LE box now?

Voss wrote:
Dreamchild wrote:
Someone over on TGA mentioned January 6 as the preorder date.

I'm dubious about that, simply because that's before the current preorders resolve (the kill team and other stuff that went up yesterday has a 3-week preorder period and comes out on the 13th). Now maybe they'll have overlapping preorder periods with a two-week preorder window for TOW, but its easier to present customers with a clear 'now this, then that' rather than let people get their wires crossed.

Did we not just have a couple of overlapping preorders? Lots of stuff lately was up for two weeks, while new stuff was set up every week anyway - unless I missed something.

**WolleK**

Dreamchild wrote:
Someone over on TGA mentioned January 6 as the preorder date.

That would be nice, but waiting one or two weeks more or less doesn't make up for a big deal.

**tneva82**

Voss wrote:
Dreamchild wrote:
Someone over on TGA mentioned January 6 as the preorder date.

I'm dubious about that, simply because that's before the current preorders resolve (the kill team and other stuff that went up yesterday has a 3-week preorder period and comes out on the 13th). Now maybe they'll have overlapping preorder periods with a two-week preorder window for TOW, but its easier to present customers with a clear 'now this, then that' rather than let people get their wires crossed.

Preorder on 6th, in store at 20th. That would work.

That's what gw did in fall. Every week new items for 2 week preorder. There were no empty weeks. Marine stuff now for 2 weeks, next week aos for 2 week. It was not to reduce # of kits released but increase time to go to stores from preorder presumably to ease up logistics(for patchy success. Some stores gets in time, others almost 3 week after supposed store date)

**Inquisitor Gideon**

WolleK wrote:
Dreamchild wrote:
Someone over on TGA mentioned January 6 as the preorder date.

That would be nice, but waiting one or two weeks more or less doesn't make up for a big deal.

Because for a new (and existing one for that matter) player it's a pain in the ass moving that many models by hand in in a block? Another missed opportunity.

**tneva82**

Dunno how that's related to preorder date. 6.1 or 6.6 same for moving models

**Geifer**

infinite_array wrote:
Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
They could have at least put some movement trays in that.

Ooh! Will GW bring back the cut-your-own plastic movement trays?

Wouldn't that be something to bring back? Though to be honest magnetic mats on plasticard sheets was the solution that worked best for me. No models falling off due to movement or sloping terrain, and good for transportation as well.

**Sotahullu**

I would be quite shocked if there is no movements trays.

But there is plenty of alternatives if you seek.

**Kanluwen**

They said they'll be selling bases and movement trays in one of the earlier articles.

**scarletsquig**

New Warcom article up:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/12/26/warhammer-the-old-world-the-tomb-kings-of-khemri-revealed/

Big news is day 1 Ravening Hordes books, so all factions playable right from the start!

Those are the launch boxes and books, and here's some new TK minis: