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I'm not in the running for either force.

Duel boxes can be neat for someone just starting or expanding a small starter army. Eg the box with new Eldar from a year or two back was lamented as boring by many existing Eldar players, but for me it was a neat box as I could easily offload the DE part and swap for more Craftworld - giving me several falcons and vypers that I didn't have.

But yes the often long period between when that box sells out (which typically is not that far off when its released) and when the new models get their own boxed set sale - can be a very very long time. Which is very draining because its puts pressure on people who only want the new stuff and who don't want any of the old.

 Overread wrote:
I'm not in the running for either force.
Which is very draining because its puts pressure on people who only want the new stuff and who don't want any of the old.

So, exactly the thing GW wants.

 Togusa wrote:
Is anyone else tired of these box releases?

Been done with them, myself.

Just release the component parts as a new "Start Collecting" or (preferably) just launch the characters by themselves, with none of the production required for booklets or art.

And speaking of art : The box cover art is actually pretty awesome.

 Overread wrote:
I'm not in the running for either force.

Duel boxes can be neat for someone just starting or expanding a small starter army. Eg the box with new Eldar from a year or two back was lamented as boring by many existing Eldar players, but for me it was a neat box as I could easily offload the DE part and swap for more Craftworld - giving me several falcons and vypers that I didn't have.

But yes the often long period between when that box sells out (which typically is not that far off when its released) and when the new models get their own boxed set sale - can be a very very long time. Which is very draining because its puts pressure on people who only want the new stuff and who don't want any of the old.

I guess my concern with the boxes is that they seem to have been getting cheaper and cheaper over time, look at the BT box with its 13 models and compare that to what was in say, Indomitus for not much more money.

Why are you complaining about the BT box while talking about double boxes?

The BT one was an army box. Still had $240 worth of stuff in it--and that's not pricing the supplement or datacards weird for being versions "exclusive to the set".

Compare it to the Beastsnagga or Lumineth sets and you'll find it wasn't that wild. The SoB one skews it but since it was all ETB stuff it's hard to call that a reasonable comparison.

 Togusa wrote:
Is anyone else tired of these box releases?

Here have two new characters (I have Idoneth, so I really want the new fella) and then a bunch of stuff you already have and don't need. Like, just release the flippin model. Please.

Doubly so given how many issues they are having just stocking the current catalogue.

 Matrindur wrote:
Also it wouldn't be a surprise for the box to cost more than others before as there are quite a lot of models in it.

Fury of the Deep has 230€ of models not counting the two new characters compared to the latest Vs-Boxset Shadow Throne which had 163€ of models not counting the two new characters. That one was light on models but even compared to the one before Piety and Pain had 183.5€ of models not counting the new characters.

So either they are giving us a bigger discount or it will have a bigger price tag

Hopefully it's the bigger discount thing. New not-combat patrol box for AoS is cheaper than any of the 40K ones (though still bad compared to SC).

I just find it funny either side here has more models than last three 40K vs boxes had in total. This here should be bare minimum for vs box, no 6 models per side gak. Plus a solid discount like GW used to do, none of this 'just 25% off already hugely overpriced models' BS...

 GrosseSax wrote:
Meh.

I forgot Fyreslayers even existed.

Ha! Me too!

Fyreslayers continue to be just a weird faction that I'm surprised got greenlit, never mind the fact that they're still around and getting releases!

 Alpharius wrote:

 GrosseSax wrote:
Meh.

I forgot Fyreslayers even existed.

Ha! Me too!

Fyreslayers continue to be just a weird faction that I'm surprised got greenlit, never mind the fact that they're still around and getting releases!

Pure speculation but I wouldn’t be surprised if they were the old CEO’s pet idea and he insisted they be added but basically no-one else in the studio is enthusiastic enough to give them a full-up reworking into something more interesting.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 GrosseSax wrote:
Meh.

I forgot Fyreslayers even existed.

Ha! Me too!

Fyreslayers continue to be just a weird faction that I'm surprised got greenlit, never mind the fact that they're still around and getting releases!

Pure speculation but I wouldn’t be surprised if they were the old CEO’s pet idea and he insisted they be added but basically no-one else in the studio is enthusiastic enough to give them a full-up reworking into something more interesting.

According to the old leaks about AoS every army was supposed to be a limited time FOMO release. Would help explain why the early AoS armies were so minimal but because they changed tact you still end up with very small armies comprising of a few units and one centrepiece while the newer ones tend to be much more rounded and near-complete.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Why are you complaining about the BT box while talking about double boxes?

The BT one was an army box. Still had $240 worth of stuff in it--and that's not pricing the supplement or datacards weird for being versions "exclusive to the set".

Compare it to the Beastsnagga or Lumineth sets and you'll find it wasn't that wild. The SoB one skews it but since it was all ETB stuff it's hard to call that a reasonable comparison.

I believe the last duel box for AoS was Shadow & Pain which had 38 models – including 10 cav and a cav centerpiece – for $170. And you can still find find it at a discount. I'd be shocked if they listed this for over $170 which would represent a savings of ~$190. Enticing, even if you're not in love with either load out!

 Arbitrator wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 GrosseSax wrote:
Meh.

I forgot Fyreslayers even existed.

Ha! Me too!

Fyreslayers continue to be just a weird faction that I'm surprised got greenlit, never mind the fact that they're still around and getting releases!

Pure speculation but I wouldn’t be surprised if they were the old CEO’s pet idea and he insisted they be added but basically no-one else in the studio is enthusiastic enough to give them a full-up reworking into something more interesting.

According to the old leaks about AoS every army was supposed to be a limited time FOMO release. Would help explain why the early AoS armies were so minimal but because they changed tact you still end up with very small armies comprising of a few units and one centrepiece while the newer ones tend to be much more rounded and near-complete.

And not forgetting that in AoS originally it wasn't going to be a traditional wargame. Heck GW had by then got to a point where upper management considered rules so optional that they threw out all the AoS launch rules and released joke rules. AoS was purely a collectors game. Small factions in general with smaller ranges of models, with a view that they'd likely cycle. So every so often GW would remove one and add another. The smaller army sizes being about the chunk of models that GW will push out with a general new release. Alongside that a few top sellers would hang around as would the Stormcast - who would copy-cat Marines in having loads of different chambers of units - similar themes but with different paint schemes and such.

Alongside that, for what game they had, they pushed the Grand Alliance system. You weren't supposed to build a Daughters of Khaine army, or a Fyreslayers - you were building an "Order Grand Alliance" army. If you chose to spam the few models the factions had ot a full army, neat, but otherwise if you were playing their (joke) game rules you were going to build a GA army. So GW could add and remove armies because you'd always have 4 GA forces.



All that was thankfully dropped. Stormcast still got some of their chamber aspect because of how they are the poster-child of the game and how much work was likely already done on them that GW couldn't stop it. It's why they kind of have a miniature range that falls over itself with options that are visually and mechanically very similar in a few roles. But otherwise most of the old AoS launch ideas are shelved; GA armies don't even exist any more really.

Is it just me or are there only 2 new models in that box? Was kinda expecting something more considering this was being hyped as a major AoS release.

Personally, I think it’d be cool to have some proper grand alliance allegiance abilities on par with the regular faction ones but actually figuring those out and having them apply to all of the relevant Alliance factions equally would be a balance nightmare.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Personally, I think it’d be cool to have some proper grand alliance allegiance abilities on par with the regular faction ones but actually figuring those out and having them apply to all of the relevant Alliance factions equally would be a balance nightmare.

It really wasn't that bad in 1st or 2nd edition, the simple solution is that Grand Alliances had worse allegiance abilities to compensate for the massive roster flexibility. I thought that was a great idea, along with allegiances being based on keywords, and am sad they dropped it. They'll probably rotate back in an edition or two.


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 Alpharius wrote:

 GrosseSax wrote:
Meh.

I forgot Fyreslayers even existed.

Ha! Me too!

Fyreslayers continue to be just a weird faction that I'm surprised got greenlit, never mind the fact that they're still around and getting releases!

I have a pet theory based on small amounts of evidence and a lot of speculation!

The thing that is very odd about Fyreslayers is the relative design age of the kits. The hearthguard kit is, once you get to see it up close, quite clearly an older design than the vulkites. Like, YEARS older. The details are softer and certain design elements (the mohawks are particularly notable) echo how GW did things during early-mid 8th WHFB but not AoS. The heroes are similar in dichotomy, and overall it is really easy to see how some units are newer designs while others could be older ones with extra rune-bling stuck on.

Now, during the End Times the dwarf Slayer King became the incarnate of fire. Combined with the above, I think that Fyreslayers may originally have been planned as an expansion for Dwarfs, finally replacing the metal units with plastic kits and adding some trademarkable elements. At some point the plan changed, new kits were added and old ones edited, and they became an AoS army.

But again, this is almost all speculation on my part.

Depending on when the battletomes come, there is still a good chance we could see some other kits come out with this. It's not likely, but Fyreslayers really do need a range expansion.

 Togusa wrote:
Is anyone else tired of these box releases? .

No, why should I be?
I really only worry about the products that interest me. I don't play Idoneth & I've got all the Fyslayers I need....

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Personally, I think it’d be cool to have some proper grand alliance allegiance abilities on par with the regular faction ones but actually figuring those out and having them apply to all of the relevant Alliance factions equally would be a balance nightmare.

It really wasn't that bad in 1st or 2nd edition, the simple solution is that Grand Alliances had worse allegiance abilities to compensate for the massive roster flexibility. I thought that was a great idea, along with allegiances being based on keywords, and am sad they dropped it. They'll probably rotate back in an edition or two.


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 Alpharius wrote:

 GrosseSax wrote:
Meh.

I forgot Fyreslayers even existed.

Ha! Me too!

Fyreslayers continue to be just a weird faction that I'm surprised got greenlit, never mind the fact that they're still around and getting releases!

I have a pet theory based on small amounts of evidence and a lot of speculation!

The thing that is very odd about Fyreslayers is the relative design age of the kits. The hearthguard kit is, once you get to see it up close, quite clearly an older design than the vulkites. Like, YEARS older. The details are softer and certain design elements (the mohawks are particularly notable) echo how GW did things during early-mid 8th WHFB but not AoS. The heroes are similar in dichotomy, and overall it is really easy to see how some units are newer designs while others could be older ones with extra rune-bling stuck on.

Now, during the End Times the dwarf Slayer King became the incarnate of fire. Combined with the above, I think that Fyreslayers may originally have been planned as an expansion for Dwarfs, finally replacing the metal units with plastic kits and adding some trademarkable elements. At some point the plan changed, new kits were added and old ones edited, and they became an AoS army.

But again, this is almost all speculation on my part.

There was a Slayer army list in the WHFB Storm of Chaos supplement that could have used a plastic kit or two...

 Sasori wrote:
Depending on when the battletomes come, there is still a good chance we could see some other kits come out with this. It's not likely, but Fyreslayers really do need a range expansion.

If we see it, it would only be for one faction not too I’d say (Maybe a single character for the other - though depending how fast this box sells it could be these models).
But a few kits for a single faction (Fyreslayers probably) and then later in the month the other book.

 Togusa wrote:
Is anyone else tired of these box releases?
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I trust you don't complain about price of models then? If you do then you getting tired of these makes zero sense.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Personally, I think it’d be cool to have some proper grand alliance allegiance abilities on par with the regular faction ones but actually figuring those out and having them apply to all of the relevant Alliance factions equally would be a balance nightmare.

It really wasn't that bad in 1st or 2nd edition, the simple solution is that Grand Alliances had worse allegiance abilities to compensate for the massive roster flexibility. I thought that was a great idea, along with allegiances being based on keywords, and am sad they dropped it. They'll probably rotate back in an edition or two.

I think if Grand Alliances came back they'd be perfect to include in a "Age of Sigmar - Apoc" style rules release. Ergo have the Grand Alliances, but design it so that they are at the massive war scale which then supports having loads of different whole armies on the table. Build in some loose "yeah they are GA but you don't have to stick to them" so that you don't end up with a whole club who all have Order and one guy with Death opposing them.

I have to say that "Ryftmar" made me laugh.


"The myghty Fyrslyrs are dyfyndyng the pyrt cyty of Ryftmyr!!!"

tneva82 wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Is anyone else tired of these box releases?
.

I trust you don't complain about price of models then? If you do then you getting tired of these makes zero sense.

One can simultaneously dislike the price of models and dislike new characters being exclusive to a box set for months before an individual release, and dislike the box taking up a slot in the release cycle complete with all the allocation of resources that entails.

 Togusa wrote:
Is anyone else tired of these box releases?

Can't say I'm a fan of them unless both sides interest me. Blood of the Phoenix( Essentially a Ynnari set ) was the only one I was prepared to get but it included so much stuff it went for silly money. About £140 or something, which was asking a bit too much when Phoenix Rising dropped at the same time, which was another £25.

The idea of a "preview" set sounds good but I'd much rather they produce two bundles instead, where a player - who doesn't want to split or ebay - can get a bundle for the faction they enjoy. For example, I wouldn't mind the forthcoming Eldar releases( previewed on Christmas Day ) with a Falcon or some other Eldar model they want to peddle. But as it is I just don't want to spend money on Chaos Marines, bargain or not...

In my experience selling on the half you don't want or finding someone to swap it with isn't "too" hard so long as you set it up in advance


If you do swap over the internet I recommend (strongly) that you treat it as two payments.

Person A pays Person B, who then posts their half

Person A receives the half

Person B pays Person A, who then posts their half.

Person B receives the half.

That way both of you get paypal's protections and if anything goes wrong (eg lost parcel in the post, one person vanishes etc...) there's protections already in place and no one is left short. IT also gets around scammers who will claim to post their half and just run off with your half that you sent them, leaving you with nothing.

 Overread wrote:
In my experience selling on the half you don't want or finding someone to swap it with isn't "too" hard so long as you set it up in advance


If you do swap over the internet I recommend (strongly) that you treat it as two payments.

Person A pays Person B, who then posts their half

Person A receives the half

Person B pays Person A, who then posts their half.

Person B receives the half.

That way both of you get paypal's protections and if anything goes wrong (eg lost parcel in the post, one person vanishes etc...) there's protections already in place and no one is left short. IT also gets around scammers who will claim to post their half and just run off with your half that you sent them, leaving you with nothing.

Its certainly something I will keep in mind for when the time comes. Appreciate it.

It felt too obvious to say "elementals", because fire and water is the classic elemental face-off. And then "Order". Also, funny, dwarves and elves hate each other. It would've been pretty nice to see Sylvaneth, if you consider "grass" as an elemental type.

Remember if this was part of the rumour that said that Skaven and Seraphon are going to have a huge update but not a battlebox?

Wordy wrote:
Taken from the WH community page about the Chaos and Eldar battle box…

“ If you’re a fan of Warhammer Age of Sigmar, we will have a major reveal coming on Monday, pitting two allies of Order against one another in a battle of the elements.”

Gotta be Idoneth and Fireslayers I reckon.

Slowpoke.

 nels1031 wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Is anyone else tired of these box releases?

Not at all, they are excellent, I just hate they are limited.

Fury of the Deep is up for preorder starting January 15th.

White Dwarf has the Ossiarch Bonereapers update.

Fury of the Deep next week

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/01/09/a-massive-battlebox-sees-an-ancient-grudge-reignite-in-this-weeks-sunday-preview/

Could be an expensive week with Gorlok Blackpowder released as well

I know it's a very minor thing, but the Fyreslayers and Idoneth should've been the other way round in the preview photo - as it is, both the new heroes are very carefully avoiding looking at each other...