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Voss wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
Its not just "Sigmar lied", the full quote from WarCom is "Sigmar lied – everything has a price"
The lie that skaven don't exist doesn't make sense then and a lie that the Cities are save only kinda fits. It makes way more sense if its about the reforging process as in "there is no eternal life without a price"

No, no. Its that he made a deal with chaos to make the original 20 Prime Sigmarines, who were scattered across the mortal realms.
He had the Cities built in the places he thought they were hidden or entombed.

Darn it we already have vast armies of Ossiarchs hiding under all the Cities Nagash helped with - now there's Sigprimes hiding under them too? And Skaven?


WAIT Is that where Malarion's army is also hiding? Not in the Realm of Shadow, but sneaking in and hiding in the shadows of the vast Cities of Sigmar as well?

In seriousness, I assume it will be the Stormcast starting to really fall apart. Which is neat, but it seems like a strange focus for a starter set.

 Scottywan82 wrote:
In seriousness, I assume it will be the Stormcast starting to really fall apart. Which is neat, but it seems like a strange focus for a starter set.

definitely strange for a starter set, to the point that i'm a bit dubious of that being the lie, or at least, if that's it, there has to be more to it

the launch/starter box rumor is models from the first stormcast release getting redone, so i suspect it's going to tie into that. "stormcast falling apart" can tie into that, but it can't be the whole story

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:

 Scottywan82 wrote:
In seriousness, I assume it will be the Stormcast starting to really fall apart. Which is neat, but it seems like a strange focus for a starter set.

definitely strange for a starter set, to the point that i'm a bit dubious of that being the lie, or at least, if that's it, there has to be more to it

the launch/starter box rumor is models from the first stormcast release getting redone, so i suspect it's going to tie into that. "stormcast falling apart" can tie into that, but it can't be the whole story

Stormcast falling apart which means brand new improved primaris stormcast, exclusive to the new starter set

What if instead of Stormcast falling apart, its instead Order that falls apart?

A splinter group breaking off that still fight against Chaos, but who have different ideals at the fundamental level and who no longer believe in the Stormcast and Sigmar's grand plan.


This could make Order appear more balanced to outside parties as right now it seems way greater/bigger than the other GA's. Even though its mostly a lore thing, it still skews the product display and a new Grand Alliance could give GW more breathing room on the creative front and the marketing front.


Even with all the backstabbing I could see the likes of the Daughters of Kaine and Stormcast and perhaps even Seraphon breaking away to form their own GA that's focused much more on a die-hard belief of driving out Chaos; whilst other factions might splinter off with a "yes we fight Chaos but we aren't fanatics about it" like the Khadorans.

I'm imagining stormcast being redone to be more grimdark in appearance, with lots of skulls and bones on their armor. The ones in the starter set could be some kind of elite veteran 'no-more-respawns-left' cadre on a suicide mission. Like a Death Company equivalent.

 Overread wrote:
What if instead of Stormcast falling apart, its instead Order that falls apart?

A splinter group breaking off that still fight against Chaos, but who have different ideals at the fundamental level and who no longer believe in the Stormcast and Sigmar's grand plan.


This could make Order appear more balanced to outside parties as right now it seems way greater/bigger than the other GA's. Even though its mostly a lore thing, it still skews the product display and a new Grand Alliance could give GW more breathing room on the creative front and the marketing front.


Even with all the backstabbing I could see the likes of the Daughters of Kaine and Stormcast and perhaps even Seraphon breaking away to form their own GA that's focused much more on a die-hard belief of driving out Chaos; whilst other factions might splinter off with a "yes we fight Chaos but we aren't fanatics about it" like the Khadorans.

I could see that. I've thought previously that Order/Chaos/Destruction/Death was a bit limiting when Order includes such diverse groups. It would be much easier if there were other factions for groups like DoK and Idoneth separate from CoS and Stormcast. And having a "Disordered" Stormcast group would make sense too.

I can't see GW wanting to split Stormcast over two Grand Alliances. Even with a design change it would seem a bit wasteful on the creative front and could even be confusing to customers (Stormcast are not marines no matter how much GW marketing might wish that they sold as well as them).

Instead I'd more likely expect to see it as a split between those factions that are fanatical anti-chaos and those that are slightly less so and are more just surviving or thriving in other ways.


Hence why I figured you'd see the DoK with the Stormcast. Even though they've backstabbed, the DoK are one of the more dedicated anti-chaos groups in the setting. Same as the Seraphon who almost operate separate from every other faction and whose only motive is battling Chaos.

Ignispacium wrote:
I'm imagining stormcast being redone to be more grimdark in appearance, with lots of skulls and bones on their armor. The ones in the starter set could be some kind of elite veteran 'no-more-respawns-left' cadre on a suicide mission. Like a Death Company equivalent.

You're likely to be disappointed.

They're redoing the original stuff into Thunderstrike gear, from what more reliable rumormongers have suggested. The lore, tone, and aesthetic has shifted significantly for the Stormcast Eternals.

 Scottywan82 wrote:

I've thought previously that Order/Chaos/Destruction/Death was a bit limiting when Order includes such diverse groups.

Order always seemed like the leftover group to me. Death/Destruction/Chaos are way more coherent. But then again look at 40k where you have Imperium and Chaos, which make sense since they all fight together on their respective sides, and then you have Xenos where the only common ground is that they are, well, xenos. With the exception of GSC and Tyranids no factions in that category belong together but GW still throws them all into a Xenos category because they want to categorize them somehow.
In the same way Order has all the factions that don't fit the other GA with the loose connection of fighting against chaos but its more for webstore categorization than actual lore.

 Matrindur wrote:
Order always seemed like the leftover group to me. Death/Destruction/Chaos are way more coherent. But then again look at 40k where you have Imperium and Chaos, which make sense since they all fight together on their respective sides, and then you have Xenos where the only common ground is that they are, well, xenos. With the exception of GSC and Tyranids no factions in that category belong together but GW still throws them all into a Xenos category because they want to categorize them somehow.
In the same way Order has all the factions that don't fit the other GA with the loose connection of fighting against chaos but its more for webstore categorization than actual lore.

That was my feeling too. I would love to see GW come up with cleaner lore as the games age and a new edition is a good opportunity to tweak things.

 Overread wrote:
What if instead of Stormcast falling apart, its instead Order that falls apart?

A splinter group breaking off that still fight against Chaos, but who have different ideals at the fundamental level and who no longer believe in the Stormcast and Sigmar's grand plan.


This could make Order appear more balanced to outside parties as right now it seems way greater/bigger than the other GA's. Even though its mostly a lore thing, it still skews the product display and a new Grand Alliance could give GW more breathing room on the creative front and the marketing front.


Even with all the backstabbing I could see the likes of the Daughters of Kaine and Stormcast and perhaps even Seraphon breaking away to form their own GA that's focused much more on a die-hard belief of driving out Chaos; whilst other factions might splinter off with a "yes we fight Chaos but we aren't fanatics about it" like the Khadorans.

Then how wouid you explain the reforging? A splinter group will still end up back in Azyr anytime they die.

 Overread wrote:
What if instead of Stormcast falling apart, its instead Order that falls apart?

A splinter group breaking off that still fight against Chaos, but who have different ideals at the fundamental level and who no longer believe in the Stormcast and Sigmar's grand plan.

That's everyone in the Order bucket except Stormcast and Cities of Sigmar.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Overread wrote:
What if instead of Stormcast falling apart, its instead Order that falls apart?

A splinter group breaking off that still fight against Chaos, but who have different ideals at the fundamental level and who no longer believe in the Stormcast and Sigmar's grand plan.


This could make Order appear more balanced to outside parties as right now it seems way greater/bigger than the other GA's. Even though its mostly a lore thing, it still skews the product display and a new Grand Alliance could give GW more breathing room on the creative front and the marketing front.


Even with all the backstabbing I could see the likes of the Daughters of Kaine and Stormcast and perhaps even Seraphon breaking away to form their own GA that's focused much more on a die-hard belief of driving out Chaos; whilst other factions might splinter off with a "yes we fight Chaos but we aren't fanatics about it" like the Khadorans.

Then how wouid you explain the reforging? A splinter group will still end up back in Azyr anytime they die.

Stormcast remain a single faction. The splintering is whole factions separating from Order.




That said Stormcast splintering into two factions could happen; but it might be that the group that splinters off has only 1 life to do what they want before they get trapped in a lightning vault. Which in itself could lead to all kinds of stories if the vault got too full or broke or the stormcast snuck their way back in to shatter the vault open. Perhaps having to turn to other gods to be reforged. However that I think is possible, but leads down a huge complicated pathway that I don't think GW would follow.


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 Mr_Rose wrote:
Isn’t there that one Stormcast who turned?

Eternus was a Stormcast turned by Belakor, but there's also a number of Stormcast that used to be Chaos Worshippers in life.


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James12345 wrote:

Stormcast falling apart which means brand new improved primaris stormcast, exclusive to the new starter set

They did that. It's literally what Dominion did in 3rd.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Isn’t there that one Stormcast who turned?

Eternus was a Stormcast turned by Belakor, but there's also a number of Stormcast that used to be Chaos Worshippers in life.

Wasn't he Varanguard?

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Isn’t there that one Stormcast who turned?

Eternus was a Stormcast turned by Belakor, but there's also a number of Stormcast that used to be Chaos Worshippers in life.

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Eternus was a Varanguard who turned against Archaon.

 nels1031 wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Isn’t there that one Stormcast who turned?

Eternus was a Stormcast turned by Belakor, but there's also a number of Stormcast that used to be Chaos Worshippers in life.

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Eternus was a Varanguard who turned against Archaon.

My mistake, I was misinformed by someone.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 nels1031 wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Isn’t there that one Stormcast who turned?

Eternus was a Stormcast turned by Belakor, but there's also a number of Stormcast that used to be Chaos Worshippers in life.

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Eternus was a Varanguard who turned against Archaon.

My mistake, I was misinformed by someone.

I believe that was the rumor when the guy was teased, to be fair.

He is linked to Stormcast in that when he turned coat against Archaon, he was thrown into the Cursed Skies where Stormcast souls can't escape, and they fried him. Belakor brought him back to life and some of the Stormcast souls are infused with him, giving him the ability to respawn like a SCE.

I believe the closest we got to a traitor SCE was in the Soul Wars novel, where Nagash captured one and turned him. Sigmar would obliterate him completely after he was defeated.

Hell yeah, Bone Dog.

Well that's a Warcry warband. Anyone have the roadmap to hand? Is it still current?

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Well that's a Warcry warband. Anyone have the roadmap to hand? Is it still current?

We are on to the last panel Spring which was just 2 new warbands ? with no indication of factions.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Well that's a Warcry warband. Anyone have the roadmap to hand? Is it still current?

It's not.


We didn't get an update after Hunter and Hunted that I can recall.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Well that's a Warcry warband. Anyone have the roadmap to hand? Is it still current?

It's not.

Spoiler:

We didn't get an update after Hunter and Hunted that I can recall.

Pyre and Flood LRL v NH - Order v Death "Winter" release
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/19/lvo-preview-2024-nighthaunt-and-luminth-realm-lords-engage-in-elemental-battle/

Ok so it's death vs a toss up. The conspiracy side of me says it's going to be Skaven. As another lead in to 4th.

 DaveC wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Well that's a Warcry warband. Anyone have the roadmap to hand? Is it still current?

It's not.

Spoiler:

We didn't get an update after Hunter and Hunted that I can recall.

Pyre and Flood LRL v NH - Order v Death "Winter" release
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/19/lvo-preview-2024-nighthaunt-and-luminth-realm-lords-engage-in-elemental-battle/

Gideon asked about the roadmap. That was the most recent one I'm aware of.


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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Ok so it's death vs a toss up. The conspiracy side of me says it's going to be Skaven. As another lead in to 4th.

Given that they've been (no pun intended) fleshing out the various factions, I think that it's still going to be an Order set. The Kurnothi are hunting Bonereapers in Ghur, per one of the stories we had...and it would be a good little setup.

a new grand alliance splitting from order could be neat. throw the more dubiously moral factions like DoK and Idoneth in there, i can see how it would work

Ignispacium wrote:
I'm imagining stormcast being redone to be more grimdark in appearance, with lots of skulls and bones on their armor. The ones in the starter set could be some kind of elite veteran 'no-more-respawns-left' cadre on a suicide mission. Like a Death Company equivalent.

new stormcast would probably be in line with the ones from Dominion, rather than a new reimagining

 StudentOfEtherium wrote:


new stormcast would probably be in line with the ones from Dominion, rather than a new reimagining

I also can't really see them suddenly turning Death Company since the Stormcast just had to deal with facing their potential mortality before Stormstrike armor was developed and basically just treated is as another thing to deal with. It's a large sub-plot of the Kragnos novel, even.

Well we've already technically seen what the new Liberators will look like as they're in Realms of Ruin.

5th GA Anarchy or Rebellion wouldn't sound quite Destruction or Chaos adjacent?