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Hellfury wrote:

deitpike wrote:like a teleport homer, but for any unit deep striking (jump packs, drop pods, terminators, land speeders, etc)
Teleport homer only works for termies "teleport" deep striking

Hmmm you're right. That does appear to be the distinction.

Well this would be an 'ok' combination with the new vanguard vets that assault after DS. Of course, once you lay the beacon down people will simply stay over 6'' away. I can't remember with the new rule book, when do you place DS units? Before moving others? If not and simply 'during the movement phase'....then you could move these guys, deploy beacon...then DS vets and assault...

So what exactly are the benefits for turning traitor again? I can't remember.

And the moral of the story is, don't turn traitor kids, because only the losers turn traitor...

Greets
Schepp himself

P.S. Isn't that how all roleplaying games work, the good guys get extra weapons and skills and girls and stuff while the bad guys are evil...and get nothing because they stabbed the npcs.

Noisy_Marine wrote:So what exactly are the benefits for turning traitor again? I can't remember.

Really good dental- comes with the extra claws, horns etc.

That and a free bonus CC weapon !!

So... would it be too cheesy to use the loyalist codex for my chaos boys ? Given the boosts that the special characters seem to give much of/the entire army they are in I can see why the Imperium was perhaps quite happy to see people like Lucius and Fabius leave.

Noisy_Marine wrote:So what exactly are the benefits for turning traitor again? I can't remember.

You get to mess with Daemonettes.

Or Plaguebearers, depending on what you prefer.

His Master's Voice wrote:You get to mess with Daemonettes.

They got nerfed recently too

<gw>Deamonettes, now with 100% less boobs!</gw>

Bring on the Cheese!!!!!

Noisy_Marine wrote:So what exactly are the benefits for turning traitor again? I can't remember.

Based on the current CSM codex ....


..... absolutely nothing.

His Master's Voice wrote:

You get to mess with Daemonettes.

Or Plaguebearers, depending on what you prefer.

But the new Daemonettes aren't even hot any more, unless you like the current gender-confused models.

Liber Chaos wrote:

His Master's Voice wrote:

You get to mess with Daemonettes.

Or Plaguebearers, depending on what you prefer.

But the new Daemonettes aren't even hot any more, unless you like the current gender-confused models.

And that's the thing. Slaanesh does like gender confusion. S/he makes that dark nasty part of the Red Light District look like kindergarten. So, yay.

HeroHammer = Fail

Meanwhile, scout bikes: New models, new rules. Quelle surprise!

Lormax wrote:Deamonettes, now with 100% less boobs!

And 100% less rules if you're playing CSM.

BYE

Valhallan42nd wrote:And that's the thing. Slaanesh does like gender confusion. S/he makes that dark nasty part of the Red Light District look like kindergarten. So, yay.

Agreed. But isn't the point to seduce people first and then hit them with the horror of what they really are? The new 'nettes are about as seductive as ... well, plaguebearers. The prior bondage chick version is another story ........

Tribune wrote:HeroHammer = Fail

Meanwhile, scout bikes: New models, new rules. Quelle surprise!

Isn't it clear we've reached critical mass with Space Marine releases? After Drop Pods and Scouts Bikes, what's left? Well... nothing, which is why we have completely new units (Redeemer, Thunderfire, Sternguard/Vanguard Vets, loads of new special characters, Scout Speeders, Iron Breaker Dreads or whatever they're called) pulled out of thin air?

Marines had reached the point where GW couldn't realistically re-do the same thing for the 8 millionth time (recutting the Tactical sprues again would be costly and not worth it). We've got all the new Chaplains and Librarians, all the main units (Tac, Dev, Assault, Termy, Termy Assault, Scouts and Command) are all plastic. Hell, even the Commander is placstic. The Vindicator is plastic. The Whirlwind is plastic. Virtually everything has a model (except the Drop Pod), so the only thing they could do was make up a bunch of new units that will either be retconned into the fluff or be 'recent discoveries of ancient technology'.

The only real clever release is the recut Land Speeder. Historically that thing has been a nightmare to construct, so recutting that makes sense (especially when you include plastic bits to make all the different types). But I expect this will happen to all armies eventually. Once you've re-released everything for the the 3rd or 4th time, you really can't do it a 5th time without looking like you're releasing the same model, but with a new hat. You have to just invent new stuff to add to the old stuff, to avoid going over the same ground and to make people buy new models.

BYE

H.B.M.C. wrote:And 100% less rules if you're playing CSM.

That pendulum is swung the other way when you play deamons, so par for the course?

That's what they have the soporific musk for, friend.

Either which, I like the new models. I just wish I liked their rules a bit more. I'd still like to see an non-ez-cheez plaguebearer.

We should also stop derailing this thread as well.

Lormax wrote:That pendulum is swung the other way when you play deamons, so par for the course?

No one ever 'played daemons' before they forced us to. Remember that.

You want more on this, ask Janthkin. He probably has a bigger daemon collection than I do and felt the impact of 'Generic Daemons' even more than the rest of us.

BYE

Valhallan42nd wrote:We should also stop derailing this thread as well.

It's a thread about fancy Spase Mareins (HURR!) getting fancy new space toys (double HURR!). What else is there to do except bitch endlessly about either it, or how Chaos Marines have been shafted once again?

BYE

Lormax wrote:

His Master's Voice wrote:You get to mess with Daemonettes.

They got nerfed recently too

<gw>Deamonettes, now with 100% less boobs!</gw>

I never said it's enjoyable. Unless we're talking about MY Daemonettes. Scarlet Johannson hits Jessica Alba driving a truck full of sharp objects. Miraculously there's no blood...

Marines had reached the point where GW couldn't realistically re-do the same thing for the 8 millionth time (recutting the Tactical sprues again would be costly and not worth it).

AFAIK the next step with Marines is a complete redesign of the basic power armor. Look at Dainton's work to see how Goodwin wants SM to look like. But that's years away...

They need at least another edition with Marines after 5th before they do a complete redesign like the change between 2nd and 3rd.

The next line due for a complete redesign (ignoring Dark Eldar) would probably be Necrons. The only alternative is to give them loads of new options and squad upgrades (something that seems to be an anathema to Jervis) and recut the sprue.

Guard can be done over and over again (just make a new plastic kit - they're all the same anyway). They need Orks for another edition or so before they get a redesign. Eldar are probably good for another edition, but they still have things that could be redone (Wraithguard, Warp Spiders, Jetbikes, Shining Spears, etc.) so don't expect Eldar 3.0 before 7th or so Edition. Tyranids won't get one for a LONG while.

BYE

Well, according to Jes, the only line that needs redesigning are SM because their models don't match the fluff description. Take an average SM model and compare it to an average SM illustration and you'll see. All lines go through design evolution but SM are set for a revolution. But since revolutions (especially milk cow revolutions) are risky GW won't be rushing this one...

do any other Ork players want the Drop pod released so that they can loot it for part?

H.B.M.C. wrote:No one ever 'played daemons' before they forced us to. Remember that.

You want more on this, ask Janthkin. He probably has a bigger daemon collection than I do and felt the impact of 'Generic Daemons' even more than the rest of us.

I'm sure that Squat players, LatD players, Dogs of War players really feel sorry for that...

I modelled a number of triple las tanks for my BA army. They started sucking ass in 4th and are awful in 5th. My tanks have new weapons now. I modelled a number of death company with power weapons and power fists. What a waste now. I painted Rapier Laser Destroyers back from 2nd edition. Whoops. I used to run an allied Callidus Assassin (only her, I don't have an Inquisitor or his retinue). She's shelved. I bought or traded for 9 Land Speeders, then ordered the assault cannon bits from GW. They suck now. I collected a good 6-8 Rhino's for 3rd edition. Then the Rhino Rush nerf hit. I painted up 4 plasma cannons for my Dev's in 3rd. Shelved through 4th. I modelled a number of assault marines with plasma pistols for 4th, then the BA PDF codex hit. Waste of points. I bought the OLD Razorback that had a lascannon and twin linked plasma guns on the turret, painted it up and everything. That hasn't been able to be used for how long now?

I'm sure you get my point, I don't feel sorry. Adjust with the changes to the game.

H.B.M.C. wrote:he only real clever release is the recut Land Speeder. Historically that thing has been a nightmare to construct, so recutting that makes sense (especially when you include plastic bits to make all the different types). But I expect this will happen to all armies eventually. Once you've re-released everything for the the 3rd or 4th time, you really can't do it a 5th time without looking like you're releasing the same model, but with a new hat. You have to just invent new stuff to add to the old stuff, to avoid going over the same ground and to make people buy new models.

Quoted for truth. I think this is going to be the nice thing about the Land Raider Crusader/Redeemer box - can make 3 different LRs from one box! Get some magnets and a few extra bits and you've got yourself a convertible Land Raider.

Valhallan42nd wrote:I like BoLS, because it allows me to keep up with rumors w/o going through 10 pages of neck-beard nerd rage (see above).

I agree. Tho I am less than thrilled about the lame banner ads. Especially the one that displays gak about Scientology.

"So what exactly are the benefits for turning traitor again? I can't remember."

Lash, Obliterators, ridiculously good Troop choices that are also fearless.

Seriously, even if these rumors are true, how does it render Chaos Space Marines obsolete? So the Marines are getting some new toys. Maybe they'll catch up to CSM. Passing them would need more toys than the rumors have them, or an Ork style ridiculous point advantage.

oni wrote:

Valhallan42nd wrote:I like BoLS, because it allows me to keep up with rumors w/o going through 10 pages of neck-beard nerd rage (see above).

I agree. Tho I am less than thrilled about the lame banner ads. Especially the one that displays gak about Scientology.

Heh heh, yeah....banner ads....

This forum could benefit from a roundup sticky of whatever the current subject is (like Seer does). Would save people from skipping over the angst to find the info.

AgeOfEgos wrote:

oni wrote:

Valhallan42nd wrote:I like BoLS, because it allows me to keep up with rumors w/o going through 10 pages of neck-beard nerd rage (see above).

I agree. Tho I am less than thrilled about the lame banner ads. Especially the one that displays gak about Scientology.

Heh heh, yeah....banner ads....

This forum could benefit from a roundup sticky of whatever the current subject is (like Seer does). Would save people from skipping over the angst to find the info.

Skipping the angst?

Here, where getting all apoplectic at the mere mention of Space Marines?

Please!

Dakka should probably start issuing warnings every time someone says "Spase Marienz!!~!11!! Hurrr!!1!@~!!".

Well, every time someone says it and means it…

Or something.

His Master's Voice wrote:

Noisy_Marine wrote:So what exactly are the benefits for turning traitor again? I can't remember.

You get to mess with Daemonettes.

Or Plaguebearers, depending on what you prefer.

I think you mean "Lesser Daemons".

H.B.M.C. wrote:Isn't it clear we've reached critical mass with Space Marine releases? After Drop Pods and Scouts Bikes, what's left? Well... nothing, which is why we have completely new units (Redeemer, Thunderfire, Sternguard/Vanguard Vets, loads of new special characters, Scout Speeders, Iron Breaker Dreads or whatever they're called) pulled out of thin air?

Well, they could have gone the CSM route and started eliminating stuff instead.

40kenthusiast wrote:"So what exactly are the benefits for turning traitor again? I can't remember."

Lash, Obliterators, ridiculously good Troop choices that are also fearless.

And what if you're undivided? Or do Word Bearers all of a sudden have Slaanesh princes and Thousand Sons in their legion?

Scout rules sound about right. GW were not selling very many scout models after moving them to the elite section. Quick fix, make them ubber and they will start to sell again.